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Old 01-31-2013, 05:49 AM   #141
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I would just roll my GeoBlaster into the elevator along with a 25 or 50 gallon agriculture water tank and go up 10 floors.

Then I'd run my air line down the side of the building or down the stairwell to the compressor which is at ground level.

Then again it only works if I have access to water 10 stories up.

GeoBlaster also sells self contained units with the water tank included and I suppose if you were working up high and didn't have access to water you could fill it up on the ground and then have a crane take it up.
First post! MasterBlaster you seem to be one of the more experienced people on here with wet-blasting. Reading some of your posts it appears like you own both the GeoBlast and the Farrow system? I'm thinking about getting into the wetblast business and I can't really figure out the pros and cons for these two systems. What's your opinion on the Farrow vs Geo, since you own both?

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Old 02-23-2013, 03:50 PM   #142
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well you might get somebody from hawaii calling you..lol
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First post! MasterBlaster you seem to be one of the more experienced people on here with wet-blasting. Reading some of your posts it appears like you own both the GeoBlast and the Farrow system? I'm thinking about getting into the wetblast business and I can't really figure out the pros and cons for these two systems. What's your opinion on the Farrow vs Geo, since you own both?

Thanks in advance.
I don't know how I missed this one... anyway I have both the Farrow System 185 and a GeoBlaster 400GB.

Originally when I started my business my whole focus was on the Farrow System and Farrow process which truthfully got my foot in the door on a lot of different project.

But as my business changed and grew my biggest concern was production and getting more done in a day... as in time is money.

Every-time I asked Farrow about more production they would tell me I had to go bigger and go high pressure... the problem is there aren't a lot of manufactures who build smaller high pressure compressors and I wasn't convinced bigger and high pressure was the answer considering a lot of the guys I know who blast dry do it fine with a 185CFM and have good production with those compressors.

That's when I found out about the GeoBlaster... it was a simpler version of what Farrow had on market and I was able to get production rates that you normally get with dry blasting that I couldn't achieve with the Farrow... and again time is money.

I still use the Farrow machine, but I use the GeoBlaster 95% of the work I do because the GeoBlaster gets the work done in 1/3 the time and with all of the similar benefits of the Farrow System... (Low Media usage and low water usage)

I know the New Farrow Machines have gotten better, but I've been using the GeoBlasters for almost a year now and it's just a easier machine to use and work on when something breaks like a hose or valve.

All the GeoBlaster parts are available thru Norton or Blast One as well as Granger and Fastanel, with the Farrow as well as other wet abrasive machine on the market you have to buy the parts thru the manufacture.

Since I bought the GeoBlaster I have not had any down time and again I make money blasting so my machine has to always be ready.

How would I rate the GeoBlaster and Farrow System... I like both of them, both companies are great to deal with and both companies have good people... but GeoBlaster support behind the scene is great and I can always contact them 24/7 to ask them about the machine our putting a quote together... and that alone is huge.

Yes, I'm very happy with my GeoBlaster and we still use our Farrow... just use the GeoBlaster 95% of the time because it makes me more money.
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Right on masterblaster i feel the same with your knowledge and actually almost everybody on here runs machines that works best for them has alot of input and knowledge. i cought your vids on youtube which where great. ive done sand blasting and home fab. with motorcycles but lack the experience but like you being from FL. im from Hawaii close the ocean which is everyday life and know how a pain in the ass it is to sand bottom paint so i was looking at options for shipping a machine down here to open up something on the boating end.
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Come on Dale, 3x faster? Geo vs Farrow? Same compressor, same media usage? I'm always amazed at how quickly I can shoot a job with my Farrow, if it was 3x faster I'd be running with the nozzle in my hand . . .
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Come on Dale, 3x faster? Geo vs Farrow? Same compressor, same media usage? I'm always amazed at how quickly I can shoot a job with my Farrow, if it was 3x faster I'd be running with the nozzle in my hand . . .
Bob, It's crazy.... When I first bought the GeoBlaster the guys who work with me thought I was nuts for spending the money on something that looks similar to the Farrow System (Stainless Box and wet pot)... but just about every job we do now with the GeoBlaster we get it done in half the time....

With the Farrow I could do maybe 1000 sq feet of stamped concrete sealer removal a day, with the GeoBlaster I'm able to do between 3000' and 4000' sq feet a day.

With boats I can easily get a 40' footer done in six hours including prep, clean-up and a final pressure washing.

I still like my Farrow which we use at the shop, but for 95% of the work we do mobile we use the Geoblaster.

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So what is so different? Bigger piping, larger nozzle? A 185 can only go so far with that and from what I can tell my Airman is giving it everything its got when I hit the switch and if the blast pressure, flow and pot controls are wide open the slurry comes fast and hard. I think you're pushing the Geo pot harder than you were pushing the Farrow or there is something wrong with the Farrow controls. Have you checked to see if there is media creeping in and clogging your pot pressure water lines or the check valves? Is your pinch valve opening properly?

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"stamped concrete sealer removal)"
We where blasting a foundation the other day and the customer wanted us to blast his stamped concrete patio, having never done it i said no sorry we can't. He was a little mad because in his words we had everything already there to do it. I only have the dry pot and a win nozzle. Is this something really reserved for wet blasting? I realize the product mess to clean up but is this how it was done before wet systems?
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So what is so different? Bigger piping, larger nozzle? A 185 can only go so far with that and from what I can tell my Airman is giving it everything its got when I hit the switch and if the blast pressure, flow and pot controls are wide open the slurry comes fast and hard. I think you're pushing the Geo pot harder than you were pushing the Farrow or there is something wrong with the Farrow controls. Have you checked to see if there is media creeping in and clogging your pot pressure water lines or the check valves? Is your pinch valve opening properly?
Bob, My Farrow was pretty tricked out, actually the GeoBlaster guys helped me maximize the performance of my Farrow and it was really singing before I made the jump to the GeoBlaster GB400.

The only reason I went with the GeoBlaster was that I had a really big project and when we did the test blast with the Farrow we found that we'd be on the project for something like 8 weeks, By moving to the GeoBlaster the project was done in 3 weeks.
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"stamped concrete sealer removal)"
We where blasting a foundation the other day and the customer wanted us to blast his stamped concrete patio, having never done it i said no sorry we can't. He was a little mad because in his words we had everything already there to do it. I only have the dry pot and a win nozzle. Is this something really reserved for wet blasting? I realize the product mess to clean up but is this how it was done before wet systems?
What I've found is if you dry blast it with a dry pot you're going to be putting down a lot more media as in 5 times more than say a Farrow or GeoBlaster... and the more media you're putting down the more mess you have to clean up as in the landscaping and swimming pool. It also makes a lot of dust from the concrete and the neighbors make a lot of noise when dust is involved..
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I was not scared of the mess I was scared i would profile the surface and his new sealer would not look right. I have watched guys do it with chemical strippers looked real messy. We usually have fine garrnet and fine and med glass around if I tried a test area I would have used the fine glass. I like the wins nozzle keeps the dust down so it has turned out great for what it is. Does anyone do the sealing too or just strip?
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I did some white tiles that the owners had trouble with the sealer.
It must have been windy when it was applied and there was red dust and bits of plant matter stuck to it.

I blasted the surface with a no7 win nozzle with fine glass and it turned out fine.

The only issue I had was a little bit of re work.
It is hard to see the the spots where you have been because the sealer is clear.

I know a guy that specializes in paving and he won't offer it as a service.
He reckons that it is to hard to get the perfect weather conditions to do it properly.
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Does anyone know the pricing on this MMLJ DB500 Mobile Dustless unit for sure. I am curious on how much it costs without contacting them.

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Does anyone know the pricing on this MMLJ DB500 Mobile Dustless unit for sure. I am curious on how much it costs without contacting them.

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Expensive for what it is. There are a lot cheaper, and in my opinion, better options out there. I just saved a customer thousands on a more efficient system. He had a deposit on a back ordered system with MMLJ and they charged his CC for the full total. Now, they won't refund all of it. Nice people - not!
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Can I really blast indoors with a Geo-Blaster???
I have huge job indoors blasting red brick to remove excess mortar and dirt.
I am currently dry blasting using a Black Max fan with a sock. Dust and cleanup are crazy. If what I read about the Geo-Blaster is true, I would very interested in purchasing ASAP
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Can the floors get wet?
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Can I really blast indoors with a Geo-Blaster???
I have huge job indoors blasting red brick to remove excess mortar and dirt.
I am currently dry blasting using a Black Max fan with a sock. Dust and cleanup are crazy. If what I read about the Geo-Blaster is true, I would very interested in purchasing ASAP
Given what you said about the job, I'd say dry with soda or fine crushed glass. A test blast is in order to determine correct media, results and pricing.
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Can I really blast indoors with a Geo-Blaster???
I have huge job indoors blasting red brick to remove excess mortar and dirt.
I am currently dry blasting using a Black Max fan with a sock. Dust and cleanup are crazy. If what I read about the Geo-Blaster is true, I would very interested in purchasing ASAP
Yes, I do a lot of indoor floor coating removal projects with both my GeoBlaster and my Farrow.

You have to do cross ventilation and set up fans to pull air in and out of the space... but there sholdn't be any dust.

Nice thing is you won't have dust and if you keep the water turned all the way down... as in off... the only water being introduced will be what's in the slurry pot, which is minimal.

And no I would never consider a WIN nozzle for indoor floor work... way to much water and you'd have a huge mess afterwords.

If the job is real big... I Blastrac it.

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How would u use a blasttrac on walls and a cealing. If blasting paint off brick indoors with a geo, what do u do about washing ur work area down after ur finished.
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Can I really blast indoors with a Geo-Blaster???
I have huge job indoors blasting red brick to remove excess mortar and dirt.
I am currently dry blasting using a Black Max fan with a sock. Dust and cleanup are crazy. If what I read about the Geo-Blaster is true, I would very interested in purchasing ASAP
I think he's talking walls !
Wouldn't be excess mortar on the floors?

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