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Old 12-03-2012, 08:11 PM   #41
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Keep us posted, I've been looking at the geo, just need to make some money to pull the triger
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Old 12-04-2012, 07:02 PM   #42
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On the Dustless machines, I forgot to mention that using a lower psi will reduce the amount of media consumption. They said you can get an extra 10-20 mins out of 4 bags depending on the psi.

Also I talked to them again today and they said the win nozzle was just what happened to be on the hose, but it wasn't being used and the machines do not use them.
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My friend, you really need to talk Some people who are actually using the dustless blaster.

Sales guy will tell you anything you want to hear to make a sale.

I talked to GeoBlast last Friday and they were delivering two geoblasters to a company down in Florida who now have two dustless blasters which they just hate.

Maybe you can pick up a used dustless blaster from them cheap?

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My friend, you really need to talk Some people who are actually using the dustless blaster.

Sales guy will tell you anything you want to hear to make a sale.

I talked to GeoBlast last Friday and they were delivering two geoblasters to a company down in Florida who now have two dustless blasters which they just hate.

Maybe you can pick up a used dustless blaster from them cheap?
Yes, I agree with you. I need to find owners and see what they say.

I have no doubt that the Geoblaster is a better machine. But it is also much more expensive. Everyone isn't willing to drop $25K when starting out. So I can see that someone with a DB would be upgrading, but the guy who told you that "they just hate them" could be sales spin as well.

I will call them tomorrow and see if they will provide me with the info of the company in Florida. Can you provide your contact person that told you about it?

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I think maybe you should start out blasting with a reg grit pot and learn the ropes of what your doing before you get in over your head...I am in the county next to you and I will consider you competition but I am so absolutes busy with big work the I'm not upset your starting up...your asking questions about hoods in other posts and weather or not you need one..trust me boats sound like a great idea and of course there are millions of them here.BUT there is very few people down here that will cough for a fair and honest wage to shoot a boat...
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I think maybe you should start out blasting with a reg grit pot and learn the ropes of what your doing before you get in over your head...I am in the county next to you and I will consider you competition but I am so absolutes busy with big work the I'm not upset your starting up...your asking questions about hoods in other posts and weather or not you need one..trust me boats sound like a great idea and of course there are millions of them here.BUT there is very few people down here that will cough for a fair and honest wage to shoot a boat...
I'm have no interested in buying a reg pot. My main interest in buying a machine is for my own projects, so I will buy a wet machine no matter what. But I figured I might as well see if I can do paying jobs as well and started doing some research and that is how I ended up here. Great site and great members willing to help a new guy!!!

I don't see how one can really get in over their head, unless they were to take on some really big job, like some of the stuff I have seen you post. For me to do that would be crazy. I may be a newbie, but I'm not stupid.

So far the trawler is the biggest potential job that's come my way. If it took me a week to do and cost me double in expenses I would still make money. Which isn't going to happen, so I'm far from over my head.

I also should add that I have a highly profitable existing business. So my livelihood isn't dependent on me blasting. My existing business is highly automated and requires little of my time, so I'm always looking for ways to build other businesses with the goal of hiring employees and then just oversee them.

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What I mean by in over your head...buying a machine that has a shakey sales pitch...buying a bunch of gear...RENTING a compressor for every job...and going after boats in Florida as your main focus.

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What I mean by in over your head...buying a machine that has a shakey sales pitch...buying a bunch of gear...RENTING a compressor for every job...and going after boats in Florida as your main focus.

Good luck!
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I would buy a compressor. I just wouldn't buy new. There's really good deals out there on low hour machines if you just wait for them to come around.

Boats wouldn't necessarily be my main focus, unless they were a consistent profit stream. It's just a job that presented itself.

"buying a machine that has a shakey sales pitch"...many here have knocked the DB machine, but can't back it up other than opinion (not experience) and all the sales people lie and are just trying to sell a machine. Come on, no company is going to last doing that.

Sure you can tell me to buy a $25K geoblast (have no doubt it is worth it), but I'm not willing to spend that. So if I shouldn't buy a DB, then what should I buy that's $15K or less?

Maybe I should just hop a plane and go demo the DB. Sure to be cheaper than the 20% restock fee if I decided it sucked. Or I can get them to wave the 20% restock fee. I will try that tomorrow. I will offer to buy a machine on the spot, but they have to put it in writing that the restock fee will be waved if I return with in X if it doesn't perform exactly as they state.

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I have one. It is heavy on glass heavy on water. If I went back again I wouldn't get one. I'm not affiliated with any other product. I bought it like you are going to, as a supplement to my other business enterprises.
I have designed a water injection set up to fit to my db150 that removes water from the pot and meters it into the blast line to see if I can reduce water consumption and in return reduce media consumption. Filling the pot 28 times in one day with 50lbs glass and 20litres of water in one day is bloody hard work. It is disappointing watching how much glass it uses. Can you find a wet blast machine for $5k ? I doubt it? If it is only a tool for occasional use as mine is maybe ok. I'm still disappointed.
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I have one. It is heavy on glass heavy on water. If I went back again I wouldn't get one. I'm not affiliated with any other product. I bought it like you are going to, as a supplement to my other business enterprises.
I have designed a water injection set up to fit to my db150 that removes water from the pot and meters it into the blast line to see if I can reduce water consumption and in return reduce media consumption. Filling the pot 28 times in one day with 50lbs glass and 20litres of water in one day is bloody hard work. It is disappointing watching how much glass it uses. Can you find a wet blast machine for $5k ? I doubt it? If it is only a tool for occasional use as mine is maybe ok. I'm still disappointed.
I know how much water/glass it will use, but I'm going to buy one of the bigger machines, so I won't have to stop and fill it as often. DB500, maybe 800.

What your using is right inline with what they say consumption is.

So what would you buy in place of it?

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Four bags an hour..... Including reloading. Bigger machine equals less reload true. But i can burn a bag in 11 minutes at 120psi with the valve closed down as much as I can and still have glass flowing.

Not sure what I would buy if I stayed with wet blasting?

A good pot with Thompson 2 and a win? Hopefully my water injection set up works and a bit of tweaking on the metering of the glass and it will do the job I need to do.
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Four bags an hour..... Including reloading. Bigger machine equals less reload true. But i can burn a bag in 11 minutes at 120psi with the valve closed down as much as I can and still have glass flowing.

Not sure what I would buy if I stayed with wet blasting?

A good pot with Thompson 2 and a win? Hopefully my water injection set up works and a bit of tweaking on the metering of the glass and it will do the job I need to do.
Your averaging 11 mins per bag all day long? That's 5.5 per hour and is too high. I will pass if that is what I'm going to consume.

Have you contacted MMLJ about it? Maybe there is an issue with your machine. Especially if you have valve close down all the way.

I'm going to call them and ask them about it. They told me 4 bags per hour @ 150 is average. There going to have to put that in writing and wave the restock fee if I return because it doesn't use the consumption they claim!
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Your averaging 11 mins per bag all day long? That's 5.5 per hour and is too high. I will pass if that is what I'm going to consume.

Have you contacted MMLJ about it? Maybe there is an issue with your machine. Especially if you have valve close down all the way.

I'm going to call them and ask them about it. They told me 4 bags per hour @ 150 is average. There going to have to put that in writing and wave the restock fee if I return because it doesn't use the consumption they claim!
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Hey Str8 if you are still getting flow with the tube wound right down the end of the tube is worn.
The soda blast machines and the multi media machines have different materials for that tube.
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I'm have no interested in buying a reg pot. My main interest in buying a machine is for my own projects, so I will buy a wet machine no matter what. But I figured I might as well see if I can do paying jobs as well and started doing some research and that is how I ended up here. Great site and great members willing to help a new guy!!!

I don't see how one can really get in over their head, unless they were to take on some really big job, like some of the stuff I have seen you post. For me to do that would be crazy. I may be a newbie, but I'm not stupid.

So far the trawler is the biggest potential job that's come my way. If it took me a week to do and cost me double in expenses I would still make money. Which isn't going to happen, so I'm far from over my head.

I also should add that I have a highly profitable existing business. So my livelihood isn't dependent on me blasting. My existing business is highly automated and requires little of my time, so I'm always looking for ways to build other businesses with the goal of hiring employees and then just oversee them.
You know.... I was fully focused on wet abrasive blasting when I started out, but we recently added a couple of dry pots which have doubled our business.

blastserv makes a good point and I think you're just going to be wasting money with the Dustless Blaster.
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I'm going to hold off buying a DB until I can talk with some actual owners and can see the machine work.
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I have the db500 and my experiance with it has been good so far. I would be happy to help you and allow you to come and see it if you want. I am not sure the best way to contact you so I will check back with this forum later.
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I have the db500 and my experiance with it has been good so far. I would be happy to help you and allow you to come and see it if you want. I am not sure the best way to contact you so I will check back with this forum later.
GREAT! Ok to call you and I'll give you my number/email.
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I just got back from Houston for my demo of the MMLJ’s dustless blaster. I bought a plane ticket and flew down from western Canada. I wanted to see for myself how well it worked and if it would be appropriate for my application. I think there are many misconceptions regarding what I actually found. I have to say I was very impressed by what I witnessed. I was looking for a way to avoid the cost of a new filtration and reclaim system along with a host of other expenses for the setup.
Frustrated I started looking for options and I came across the wet blasting machines. I had never seen a sandstorm pot before and I loved it. I have trouble finding employees with blasting experience so most of the time I have train them and although my clemco pots are easy for me to “tune” it seems guys don’t catch on. The sandstorm pot is way more user friendly for any person with limited mechanical aptitude. That was on my list of must haves. I blasted for about 1 hrs both wet and dry with the same pot on a number of materials that I would normally blast and some materials I can’t right now. It worked great wet or dry. I blasted mill scale, undercoating, sheet metal heavily coated steel beams…..It worked as well if not better than my current system plus I was amazed at how I could blast the lighter stuff with out warping or damaging the various panels. Again it offers me a convenient way to blast different materials without any hassle. Some of the media consumption answers regarding the MMLJ system are the same for any sandblasting system. Any improperly adjusted pot will burn through what ever media we are using.
In my situation, if I need extra media to speed up my production I do it; the cost of materials is always factored in, marked up and charged to the customer.
I phoned them today to ask them about some of the comments on here. The WIN nozzles in some of their videos were the nozzles that were on the hose at the time.
I blasted with a 6 as we usually do but you can use any nozzle you want. They used to sell sandstorm blasters into Australia but it was due to health reasons of the party in Australia that they temporarily stopped I think they are going to be shipping there again soon.
All the wet blasters are hybrid converted dry pots. I found the system met all MY needs and I was very impressed with sandstorm’s design and performance.
I like dealing with the manufacturer as the service is better than I currently receive from my local guy. It also makes the system a little cheaper as there is no middleman.
I am hoping to have a demo of the Geoblaster soon and I will be glad to share my experience with their system with you after then.
Again most of the questions in this thread can be answered with a simple phone call to them. They were more than happy to clarify things. I hope this may helps I’m learning just like you..

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