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Old 04-09-2015, 07:19 AM   #281
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Definitely agree with you that one needs to be mechanically or at least logically inclined. I personally have not been in the large scale blasting at all but have been in car restore and small scale blasting since I was knee high to a grass hopper.
Ok..what is your plan for making mud inside blind cavities? Rockers? Cowl cavities? What I am stating is that it may strip paint off of an automobile but the final results will get you into trouble in the end.

The reason there is such a push on these pieces of equipment is there are more cars to be done than Govt spec jobs that actually require you to shoot something wet. That in turn allows the average thinker who may have some cash saved to feel like he is going to easily climb into business with a truck and unit/compressor. There is work out there that can and will work for wet blasing but automobiles in my opinion is not one of them.
In this business thinking about how and what to strip something is not where it ends. I feel the complete package is crucial to be successful and in that package CLEANUP is part of it. How do you sweep up mud?

I'll ask again... How will you clean up mud?

Ask your salesman that question. I did and when I did he
Smiled and said that was my problem.
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Old 04-09-2015, 09:24 AM   #282
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Ok..what is your plan for making mud inside blind cavities? Rockers? Cowl cavities? What I am stating is that it may strip paint off of an automobile but the final results will get you into trouble in the end.

The reason there is such a push on these pieces of equipment is there are more cars to be done than Govt spec jobs that actually require you to shoot something wet. That in turn allows the average thinker who may have some cash saved to feel like he is going to easily climb into business with a truck and unit/compressor. There is work out there that can and will work for wet blasing but automobiles in my opinion is not one of them.
In this business thinking about how and what to strip something is not where it ends. I feel the complete package is crucial to be successful and in that package CLEANUP is part of it. How do you sweep up mud?

I'll ask again... How will you clean up mud?

Ask your salesman that question. I did and when I did he
Smiled and said that was my problem.
90% of our work is resto and the rockers, core supports and body panels have been removed. Our blast area is outdoors where we already do dry blasting and pressure washing.
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Wonder how the wet units work in the north
when I'm blasting in sub zero weather??
Seen and talked to some that have to go out and buy a dry pot to keep up....
hum
ya and I blast out side and some ask me to clean up
after blasting.. (including DEP jobs)
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For those of you that have a GEO Blaster, you guys probably already know this, but here is what we do for our "Mud" clean up. First off, once we have finished blasting after 3 hours, with the Geo-Blaster, we sweep up the area and shovel up the 250 - 300 lbs of media that we have used and put it in sand bags for disposal later or if we were using a high value media, we can screed it and possibly reuse it. After we have done a pretty good job of sweeping up, we then turn our equipment to "Wash-Down" mode. OH... I forgot to say that with our Geo-Blaster, we only have a light mist of water or vapor fog of water when we were blasting. With our wash-down, we do put down a fair amount of water. I will say that cleanup is the one thing that our company takes very seriously and very seldom have every left media on the ground unless it was a job blasting in a vacant lot. I will say that there are certain things that we cannot blast, but not many. The one thing we do hear is that the customer didn't expect us to wash down of the area after blasting. As I said, we take cleanup seriously!..YEA, the other Dustless brand seems to make MUD along with a Win attachment. Just my opinion. NOT ALL THINGS ARE CREATED EQUAL !!
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For those of you that have a GEO Blaster, you guys probably already know this, but here is what we do for our "Mud" clean up. First off, once we have finished blasting after 3 hours, with the Geo-Blaster, we sweep up the area and shovel up the 250 - 300 lbs of media that we have used and put it in sand bags for disposal later or if we were using a high value media, we can screed it and possibly reuse it. After we have done a pretty good job of sweeping up, we then turn our equipment to "Wash-Down" mode. OH... I forgot to say that with our Geo-Blaster, we only have a light mist of water or vapor fog of water when we were blasting. With our wash-down, we do put down a fair amount of water. I will say that cleanup is the one thing that our company takes very seriously and very seldom have every left media on the ground unless it was a job blasting in a vacant lot. I will say that there are certain things that we cannot blast, but not many. The one thing we do hear is that the customer didn't expect us to wash down of the area after blasting. As I said, we take cleanup seriously!..YEA, the other Dustless brand seems to make MUD along with a Win attachment. Just my opinion. NOT ALL THINGS ARE CREATED EQUAL !!
Explain how exactly your Geo is different than the Dustless Blaster?

The media crushed glass or garnet is what removes the material, paint etc. Depending on your removal rate is the media consumption, it takes a certain amount of media to remove the material unless the air and water mixed magically removed it as well.

How do you clean or dry the small crevices that will trap the wet media?
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Turn ur sand off and blow it out. LOGIC!!!!
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I blast both wet and dry, The Farrow and the GeoBlaster gets me a lot of work that I wouldn't get if I was just a dry blaster.

What's better MMLJ or GeoBlaster?... GeoBlaster hands down!

What's better dry vs wet? It all depends on what the project is and how you explain it to the customer.... and what the customer feels comfortable with.

I work very clean, both dry and wet, when we're done our customers constantly tell us that's what sets us apart from other blasters.

It's all about how you present yourself.
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Turn ur sand off and blow it out. LOGIC!!!!
Logic also says you will push wet media into spots that it will set and you can't blow it out unless you take it apart which will cause coatings to fail and rust
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I blast both wet and dry, The Farrow and the GeoBlaster gets me a lot of work that I wouldn't get if I was just a dry blaster.

What's better MMLJ or GeoBlaster?... GeoBlaster hands down!

What's better dry vs wet? It all depends on what the project is and how you explain it to the customer.... and what the customer feels comfortable with.

I work very clean, both dry and wet, when we're done our customers constantly tell us that's what sets us apart from other blasters.

It's all about how you present yourself.
what work do you get from wet blasting that you wouldn't get dry?

I can see work such as vehicles at customer locations but don't see this being able to do any real big jobs just small projects
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If u have sand and water in an area and u can't blow it out with a blast hose maybe ur in the wrong trade
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If u have sand and water in an area and u can't blow it out with a blast hose maybe ur in the wrong trade
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Ok..what is your plan for making mud inside blind cavities? Rockers? Cowl cavities? What I am stating is that it may strip paint off of an automobile but the final results will get you into trouble in the end.

The reason there is such a push on these pieces of equipment is there are more cars to be done than Govt spec jobs that actually require you to shoot something wet. That in turn allows the average thinker who may have some cash saved to feel like he is going to easily climb into business with a truck and unit/compressor. There is work out there that can and will work for wet blasing but automobiles in my opinion is not one of them.
In this business thinking about how and what to strip something is not where it ends. I feel the complete package is crucial to be successful and in that package CLEANUP is part of it. How do you sweep up mud?

I'll ask again... How will you clean up mud?

Ask your salesman that question. I did and when I did he
Smiled and said that was my problem.


There are areas with equipment vehicles you will never get it out unless you take it apart.

Sounds like you are the one of these guys above
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IMO there are Geo and DB sales guys posting here with there sales tactics.

None of my questions have been answered about the real difference between the Geo and DB, not that I care but I see a lot of claims to how much better it is, its definately more expensive than the DB.

My advice to anyone considering buying one of these is do your homework research and don't get taken with their infomercial type sales tactics before you pay a big chunk of cash that you can make $$ with these wet blasters. Buy a WIN nozzle for $250 and well made blast pot get some business with that then decide if you really want to lay down $16K to $50k plus for these wet blasters.
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First of all I want nothing to do with a wet blaster I think they have place but not for me so no im not a salesmen but Im pretty convinced that air will dry out mud and get ride of it And I don't know why u bring blast serv up I guess im not getting something
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First of all I want nothing to do with a wet blaster I think they have place but not for me so no im not a salesmen but Im pretty convinced that air will dry out mud and get ride of it And I don't know why u bring blast serv up I guess im not getting something
Blastserv said hes been having to redo work for the wet blast guys
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Roadoil, you're completly right, but as you know, they cannot agree with you.

IMO, best way is to get multi media pot, and if you wanna do wet blasting then you take WIN nozzle or Wet Heat Adapter, which in my opinion works better than WIN nozzle. Why? WIN nozzle losts a lot of blasting power while working with water. Adapter instead of mixing water with abrasive only covers outside stream of blast.

Wet blasting all the time? Yeah, sure. Only when you got warm temperatures weather. No way in winter, so in some areas you're losing half a year to make money for a living.
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Hey guys, for those of you new to CT, go back and read all the posting on "WIN" nozzels, then read Wet Blasting, and then Read GEO-BLASTER. Roadoil has been fixated on Geo and Farrow being to expensive and just a hype, but this subject has been gone over for the last 4 years by many many people just coming on to Contractor Talk. Roadoil asked what makes the big difference and Dale answerd that and even posted a diagram on how it worked back in 2011. The main difference as far as I'm concerned is that I 1. Don't have dust. 2. Don't have "Mud" and a watery mess. 3. Very easy to show my customer that I don't have dust. 4. Gotten JOBS BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE DUST. By the way, the last car we did was almost 3 months ago and by the way, I'm in northern Nevada and yes, we have cold weather also. Anyways, just my thoughts...
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I'm not going to get into a pissing match about wet vs dry blasting and as I said I do both.

Actually I easily doubled my business overnight offering both services.

On location in urban environments like building facades I do them wet, no dust and good money. In and out in a day and I just pressure wash everything left on the building down onto landscape cloth and roll it up and then bag it.... leaving buildings nice and clean.

Dustless Blaster runs TV ads telling you can make crazy money blasting cars wet... Blasting cars wet is crazy... but that's who Dustless blaster sells to hobby guys who work cheap... most of the guys who blast with Dustless blasters work cheap and are out of business in a less than a year... I have a bunch of them herein New Jersey who blast cars or boats... many will do a 42' sport fishing yacht for less than a $1000... that's crazy.

Cars and trucks I blast dry and try to do those at my shop... but again to many guys doing cars cheap and I don't work cheep... I'm about quality and I have a nice following, guy bring cars to who want it done right... yes they pay more, but they know when it's done it's done right and it's clean.

90% of the concrete work I do I blast wet, just because of silica dust and both the Farrow and GeoBlaster use very little water so there's less mud to cleanup and again I like getting in and out fast... as well as making money.

Big steel jobs I blast both dry and wet depending on what I'm removing... again more tools more opportunities.

I know a lot of guys who blast and everyone has their nitch... mine works for me and I'm making a living and growing a business

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why not post the info here This thread comes up when you google wet blasters Dustless Blaster Geoblaster or Farrow the sellers of these machines know that this thread is important to their continued marketing of these wet blasters to new customers doing research on the web

I don't have a horse in this race who's better but I see the bashing here if the various systems and would like to know why one is particularly better than others that leave some huge mess somehow, this defines physics if blasting.

The fact is the media does the removal how fast you want to remove it depends on the amount used and pressure CFM unless you expect the water and air to remove it In my experience it takes 20,000 PSI and above water pressure to remove paint with just water.

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why not post the info here This thread comes up when you google wet blasters Dustless Blaster Geoblaster or Farrow the sellers of these machines know that this thread is important to their continued marketing of these wet blasters to new customers doing research on the web

I don't have a horse in this race who's better but I see the bashing here of the various systems and would like to know why one is particularly better than others and that leave some huge mess somehow, this defines physics of blasting.

The fact is the media does the removal how fast you want to remove it depends on the amount used and pressure CFM unless you expect the water and air to remove it In my experience it takes 20,000 PSI and above water pressure to remove paint with just water.

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