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Old 09-13-2010, 09:28 AM   #21
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Where can I recycle old roof vents (plastic). I have a number of them here with no home.

They are faded and old and I'm sure no one wants them...

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Old 09-13-2010, 09:31 AM   #22
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No one is mocking the green building effort. It seems to make sense to try to build as efficiently as possible, both now and in regards to future resource use.

What peeves me off is the yippies (yuppie + hippie) living in their suburban homes, driving their SUVs, wearing their nylon jackets and Reebok hikers, drinking Yerba warmed in the microwave, crying over the atrocities done to the trees.
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Try building strawbale!! Its an easily renewable resource. There are tons of reference books to guide you along the way. The embodied energy is extremely low. Did you know that stawbale provides a minimum of R30 insulation? Finished stawbale homes are beautiful, warm, and GREEN!! Natural clay/lime plasters are used for finishing.
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Try building strawbale!! Its an easily renewable resource. There are tons of reference books to guide you along the way. The embodied energy is extremely low. Did you know that stawbale provides a minimum of R30 insulation? Finished stawbale homes are beautiful, warm, and GREEN!! Natural clay/lime plasters are used for finishing.
This is what I do for a living. I build what I call natural buildings. Strawbale building can reach an R-50 if done properly. I also build light clay wall systems. What this is, is straw or wood chips coated in clay and packed into a wall cavity that is a foot thick. With this system you get an R value but you also get a huge thermal mass. Great if you have southern sun exposure or a wood stove. The walls take on heat during the day and then give it back out during the night. I love it when a building can use the free energy available to everyone. Can't get much greener that that

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Green Building. Euphemistic buzzword.

As building professionals we need to ignore the rhetoric and know that what is being discussed is SUSTAINABLE building practices. Replace Green with Sustainable and you have an intelligent problem to solve. Leave "Green" phrasing to the media and marketers.

Sustainability in construction is primarily resource management in regards to lifecycle expectation. What is the product? What did it take to make the product (manufactured , recycled ,re-used, makes no difference) and what form of waste was generated or will be generated at the end of it's lifecycle. Resource management then moves into energy and performance analysis. Power and water consumption are going to have specific geographic concerns ( climate severity and water resources). We are simply making an effort to divert waste and pollution from being environmentally damaging, and conserve water and energy as much as possible.

The OP suggests an "is it better either this or that" argument which is not going to have universal conclusions. SE Asia vs Minnesota, Norway vs Costa Rica; the pool of resources combined with climate, and local energy and water supply, are for us, as local building professionals, to analyze what the best approaches are.

It is useful to learn from what is being done in different regions to combat wasteful and harmful resource management, and see if those practices are useful or practical to apply locally. There is not "better than". All effort is better than.

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That is funnnnnnny. We have a bunch of those guys over here in oregon up by eugene living in the trees. They crack me up beat on a wooden drum with a wooden stick wearing black cartharts and crying about cutting down a renewable resource.
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"Creating or renewing a sustainable efficient building product that affects the environment with less impact, from inception through manufacturing and delivery, to installation and beyond". Me
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IMHO,the most over looked,least understood,very infrequently discussed aspect to green or sustainable (take your pick) is beauty. While I'M the first to admit it is very subjective and in the eye of the beholder,however,if the majority of society does not deem it attractive,irregardless if it is a piece of furniture,car house etc.it will not be cherished,maintained and will be destined to the landfill in short order.

The bulk of the "green" buildings IMHO,are far from attractive and look like a machine that fell on it's side,landfill here they come.
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I think "green" is a warped and misinformed religion. It has some definite good points about it though. As a kid, I remember just throwing fast food garbage out on the highway. I don't see that so much anymore. I think its a result of the recycle, reduce,"green", religion. However, if people think they are saving the planet by stopping their vehicle to pick up a pop can so it can be recycled, they likely don't understand the big picture. They likely damaged the planet more by the extra fuel and brakes they used than by leaving the can in the ditch. Chances are, the can will go in the landfill anyway. Driving across town to buy slightly more efficient light bulbs? There goes more fuel. It seems like the "green" houses are usually much more elaborate than they need to be. Making the windows a little smaller might do more for R value than all kinds of fancy insulation. I'm trying to get used to the trend....
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It's obviously more green to build a building that never uses energy for heating or for cooling. No energy usage is always greener than efficient energy usage.

Green building has its drawbacks. German homes have a huge problem with mold now because they are so air tight. It would be far more efficient for people to LIVE green. By cooling or heating one room in a house where they are spending their time instead of the whole building all the time, the way people used to do in the old days when fuel and energy was expensive.
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That's not really possible with today's open plan houses.
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I heard a great presentation at a USGBC lunch one time about just this topic. What is "Green"? I like the previous post saying that we should think more about "sustainable" and lose the "Green" terminology.

The presentation focused on the benefits of quality products that could be used and re-used over many iterations of the building. Examples of such in commercial building would be a demountable modular interior wall system that allows the user to reconfigure their office walls an infinite number of times using the same materials instead of being demolished and thrown away or even "recycled".

My company's office is an example of this. The interior office partitions here are all repurposed modular walls that have been in and out of local commercial spaces for twenty years or more - and they look and function great. If we need to reconfigure the space we can take it apart and build it back again a different way.

Other than modular walls there are many other products that can be repurposed and reused. The key is quality products that will stand the test of time.

Think of IKEA furniture that is so popular now. What's the expected lifespan of those products? We are still using wooden antique furniture that was built hundreds of years ago in many of our homes, but where will our IKEA products be in ten years? twenty??
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Green to me is working "with" nature as much as you possibly can. The more you work with it, the greener something is.
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Digging up 8 year old threads is not GREEN!

It was somewhat fun to see some names we haven't seen in a half a decade though
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What is "Green":

Any BS that will get the un-informed to give up more freedom and money, until individuals Have NO Choices.

A few minutes of "Einsteinium" style thought experiment yields that with out the survival of our nation and Western Culture in a Free State, all infrastructure is likely to be destroyed during the LONG COLD DARK GREEN AGE of constant war, plagues, Floods and droughts Caused by the false to reality Memes of the current power grabbing Green Nutters and their Crony Running Green haired, Commie Pink Dogs and useful idiots.

Most buildings in ground frost Zones will be structurally un sound in less then 10 years of no heat......

Sustainability is just Perpetual Motion part II.

Zero emissions = Zero wealth creation.

A nation WITH OUT BORDERS has NO need for long range planning of any type.

I don't remember about how clean the Huns, Goths, Visa-Goths, and Vandles when they took over the Western Roman Empire......
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What is "Green":

Any BS that will get the un-informed to give up more freedom and money, until individuals Have NO Choices.

A few minutes of "Einsteinium" style thought experiment yields that with out the survival of our nation and Western Culture in a Free State, all infrastructure is likely to be destroyed during the LONG COLD DARK GREEN AGE of constant war, plagues, Floods and droughts Caused by the false to reality Memes of the current power grabbing Green Nutters and their Crony Running Green haired, Commie Pink Dogs and useful idiots.

Most buildings in ground frost Zones will be structurally un sound in less then 10 years of no heat......

Sustainability is just Perpetual Motion part II.

Zero emissions = Zero wealth creation.

A nation WITH OUT BORDERS has NO need for long range planning of any type.

I don't remember about how clean the Huns, Goths, Visa-Goths, and Vandles when they took over the Western Roman Empire......
So, how do you really feel about the subject? Quit holding back!
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For decades various Eco-Memes that are Proven false to fact have been used to violate the US Constitution granted rights of Americans.

DDT kills Birds by thin egg shell: TOTALLY wrong, but still banned ddt kills OVER 500000 Black kids EVERY YEAR in Africa, Eco-Nutter laws have killed more then Adolf Hitler did.....

We need MTBE to replace tetraethyl lead....MTBE is still contaminating water, and inner city kids are STILL dumber then outer city kids.....

Nuclear Winter anyone, remember when the glaciers where guaranteed to come back in the early 1980s???

blaming Freon, the cheap, safe, chemical that produces cheap food storage, FALSELY for ozone layer depletion....

The ozone holes are natural artifacts of the Earth's Van Allen Belt and Geo-Magnetism......

Eco- Nutters are doubling down on stupid and want another unneeded change to every more expensive refrigerants that use every more energy to move less heat...

A now the crazy idea that a mostly inert gas that forms one part in 2500 of the air mix is raising temps about one part in 288....maybe.
When we as a planet are at the very LOW end of geological average CO2 ppms still.

The California AIr Research Board makes a massive math error, calling for hundreds of Billions dollars worth of unneeded Tier IV diesel engines and ever higher inefficiencies of EGR motors and DEF additives that have caused increase in delivery cost forever forward....

allows NGOs to steal my means of living and take my wealth with out ANY representation in the Orgs that are stealing said monies.

I'd rather live free in a sewer then locked up in a clean Gulag, but hard truth is the Green movements aren't looking out for our World or humans in general, they just want to run things during the fall into The Dark-Green Age of the USA and Western Culture.

We've created the cleanest wealthiest Nation EVER, and the Nutters feel guilty they haven't done anything positive, and want to kick over the chess boards.

Tree-hugging half-wits destroy the wealth needed for actual conservation and waste product handling. IMHO

RE: OP: cheapest, burn them in a Hot fire with plenty of air/oxygen, in an enclosed incinerator to burn the byproducts(dioxins)..stay out of the exhaust fumes....

trash compactor, bag and bury is what we do here in fly over land....

Most expensive, find out what kind of plastic they are, waste 25.00$ of Gas and 50.00$ of time driving the 10 cents of plastic to the recycle/ wasting your $$$ center.

Spend another hour reading all the silly answers posted on the Web of fools.....

Ask how did throwing trash away in the USA become SOOOOO important??? Is being OCD on waste handling mentally normal/healthy?

Has some evil group(s) cooped my time and money and priorities to further some crazed anti- freedom/ wealth ideas?

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