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Old 02-05-2010, 06:01 AM   #1
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Which Is Green?


It's been a few years since I worked as a contractor in the states. At the time, the prevailing attitude was that "Only rich hippies can afford to go green". The wasted materials building even just one house were appalling. So much was wasted

I don't live in the US anymore, I live in southeast Asia. The attitude here is "don't spend any money to build it". The improvisations that they come up with in order to get something built are fascinating, even if the end result of the building does suffer from lower quality sometimes. however, on a small scale- building a house, a barn, a garage, a workshop, whatever- you don't need the high degree of accuracy. You don't need a building to be air tight because the standard buildings don't have air conditioning and it isn't cold enough to need heating.

So which of these is more green? Is it more green to strive for the ultimate efficiency and build something which, over the course of it's useful life, will need fewer repairs or use less energy (as the houses there, in the US are built)? Or is it more green to strive to build something which requires as few new parts as possible and accomplishes the all that needs to be accomplished using re-used or re-cycled parts?
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Old 04-02-2010, 02:41 PM   #2
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Like most "philosophical" questions this is really only a question as to what the definition of a word is. In this case the word is "green". Once you define what that word means to you then you will know the answer to your questioin. The answer to the question (once known)is simple; the difficulty is attaining an agreed upon definition of the word so you know what the question actually is.

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I know this isn't the answer you are looking for, but both. Build as well as you can while minimizing waste, and recycle as much as possible.
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I know this isn't the answer you are looking for, but both. Build as well as you can while minimizing waste, and recycle as much as possible.
Some day Recycling will be beneficial!
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Some day Recycling will be beneficial!
Yeah. We (society) have a looooong way to go. Gotta start somewhere. I think the younger generation is much more hip to recycling than the older, and it will snowball in time. I think a large part of the problem is the "outa sight, outa mind" situation. Most people do not have any idea the amount of waste we generate (again, society, I'm not just talking about construction) and that resources that are disappearing.
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nothing is really greem is my take. Use what works best!
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Green references nature and when the term green is used in construction and other places it represents an effort to help clean the world. Now the question remains what is truly good for our planet? truth is for every statement made about something being good for the environment, you can find a rebuttal stating its bad. It all comes down to what makes more sense to you and after it makes sense to you what are you going to do about it? for example: if you discovered that throwing waste out of your car window is bad for the environment, are you going to throw waste out your window while driving?
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it would be most green if we built tight, efficient houses and stopped changing our damn minds very 10-20 years about what looks good. tearing out old tile, flooring, and cabinets just because they're not to modern aesthetic standards is about as ungreen as you can get.
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it would be most green if we built tight, efficient houses and stopped changing our damn minds very 10-20 years about what looks good. tearing out old tile, flooring, and cabinets just because they're not to modern aesthetic standards is about as ungreen as you can get.
I agree, which is why I like classic designs and finishes. Most of the "hip" stuff done today is already dated by the time the contractor leaves the driveway. Remember the Olive drab and browns of the 70's? Or the pink and black tiled kitchens and baths? Those were outdated before it left the showroom.

Green to most builders is an energy efficient structure, while green to the majority of Greenies, is a well built, long lasting structure using as many non-polluting products as possible.
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This is green....

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paint them blue, film it in 3d and call them navi instead of hippies and you've got a $2 billion movie.
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Fewer resources needed to build, AND maintain a home, makes it green in my opinion. If you can find a way to minimize the needs during construction as well as the resources the building will need "later in life", then you have added to the green movement.
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Recycling seems the better option, as your material will be fully used and there won't be any wastage . So without wasting anything you will get a new thing which will add beauty to your construction.
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I my opinion in order to build Green you have to go all in. You can't buy Bamboo Floors and through away the card board box. You can't install them in your front entry and not expect them to get trashed and ripped out in 7 years.

It's not Green.

Purchase local - when practical or logical.

Build it above code. Build it so you don't suffer needless repairs.

Be practicle - Do what is in your means and what you can.

Some times Green is not so Green. I have seen lots of wasted material in low VOC projects and adhesives that melt away or bubble up in 2 months. That's not Green - that's waste. Green buildings need to stand the test of time.

Your homes cost of construction makes up only 20% the cost to you over it's lifetime. Install a better furnace and not Italian Marble. Install better windows and not German Fixtures. Install more insulation - better insulation and skip one years vacation. That's Greener.

I have done a ton of this durning the last 18 months.

Its easy to build Greener. Just work Harder.

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I like green.
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I'm confused men why you mock this Green Building efforts?

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Here we go again....
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I dunno..I guess it's just that I don't worship the planet or worship nature.IMO "green building" is just another way for people to make money....I'm not a wasteful person and I don't pollute...But I also think that is stupid to bring in "green" wallboard from China and the call it "green"..If I need to explain to you why that is ludicrous then...well I think you may be too far gone...Maybe you can do an extensive test of it this weekend.
It's "green" for the manufacture $$$$$..


BTW..I sell carbon credits if anyone is interested...Having a buy one get one free sale this week only....Do your part...Send me some money.

And John...No my daughter does not cry over dead trees,her father taught her a little common sense...Don't try to use my kids to make one of your crazy points..I don't like that.

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