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Old 12-27-2013, 07:30 PM   #61
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Looks like you need to fire him.
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Old 12-27-2013, 08:12 PM   #62
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I love a clean well-organized non-cluttered job site.
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Might be the clean up guys Job but OSHA will definitely be talking to you and not him
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Well, no one died in the completion of the house, gonna make a conscious effort to be a little neater in the future.






They never look as good as I hope, but I have to keep plugging along to make any money.

Opinions? Should I add another four points to the star/compass decoration?

Ahh well, on to the next one....
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Very nice job. I've learned to be careful what you include in your pictures. Don't use a wide angle lens, give them too much to look at and pick apart

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Should I add another four points to the star/compass decoration?
You entitled this thread Oklahoma style and it is a different style than what I grew up with in New Jersey, or what I do out here in California, so take my opinion with a grain of salt as I don't know your clients or locale.

You have many elements working together and that's nice and adds interest. But it can get to be too much. The decoration looks very nice in my opinion but is already an eye catcher I can't imagine adding any more detail to it.

I really like the brick detail in the adjacent gable. The soldiers and herringbone panels. That's an element you'll never get tired of looking at as you pull in your driveway - classy, and understated.

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I think it looks fine. It will take you longer to add more detail, that one has enough going on with the different patterns of brick, the stone, the corbelling,

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Your work looks good, I love to see a mason take pride in his work.
But I agree with dom-mas, you have to pay attention to the cleanliness of your job-site ,'cause everyone else is! It's not safe and doesn't look good.

I don't live in a mess...I'm not working in a mess. We keep clean as we go...clean everything every evening....and make sure the site is at its best every weekend.

A potential customer might not know what a good brick job looks like, but everybody knows what a mess looks like.

With all of that said, I still think you did some great work
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.....And you can't leave scaffolds half torn down and with scaffold boards hanging over....booby trapped. It is your scaffolds and nobody has any business on it but you and your crew, you can't control that after you leave the job.

I'd be scared a carpenter might get up there for what ever reason or the home owner might get up there snooping around after I leave and fall through or off.
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Looks very nice. I hope you are being compensated accordingly for all that "extra" work and not just doing all that as a "per thousand" rate as many around here do. Work like that should cost $$$$.
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Looks very nice. I hope you are being compensated accordingly for all that "extra" work and not just doing all that as a "per thousand" rate as many around here do. Work like that should cost $$$$.
Compensated? ehh somewhat...is it enough? No.

You obviously have a good idea what some of these guys are doing it for price wise, unfortunately I have to stay somewhat competitive with those prices just to keep myself busy. My price hasn't changed in ten years, what used to be an average price is now HIGH by some builders standards today. Because of this, time has to be saved somewhere, that is why I don't care about cleaning up broken brick. The time spent doing cleanup work that I don't get paid for could be better put to use stocking a scaffold, hanging a lead, making cuts etc... it's become a high production or else environment.

I strive to do better work than the competition, and I tire of doing the exact same thing on house after house, thus I try to come up with unique things for the area like the gable decoration. Would rather herringbone gables over putting the soldiers up them that is so prevalent around here. Anything to be just a little different than the status quo.

Some of the prices that I hear make me really wonder how much longer I will stay in this line of work. I still enjoy doing it but if I can make the same amount or more money doing something else less strenuous, then it might be time to let them have it.
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A member called Stacker from Okl had to quit the trade after several decades laying brick because the pricing made it totally unprofitable.
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A member called Stacker from Okl had to quit the trade after several decades laying brick because the pricing made it totally unprofitable.
True, but he was in a rather remote area of the state, Alva, OK. Alva is a relatively small town of 4,945 people, although it does have a small college. But still, not a lot people moving to the small towns, even though the oil industry is booming. Most are moving away to the bigger cities.
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Ok, I know nothing about the masonry situation in the state except what both he and Kniggit are posting which are about the same
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Compensated? ehh somewhat...is it enough? No.

You obviously have a good idea what some of these guys are doing it for price wise, unfortunately I have to stay somewhat competitive with those prices just to keep myself busy. My price hasn't changed in ten years, what used to be an average price is now HIGH by some builders standards today. Oh, I know all too well how things are. I haven't bricked a house in 15 years, but I know whats going on. I still have family and friends who do, although most are near to retirement age. I know one guy, who had worked with his dad and brother for years. He quit and went to driving a truck OTR. And I'm sure there are many similar such stories.

The home builders are part of the problem. For the most part, they really don't care how good of work is done as long as there are no problems. Most people/potential buyers don't know the difference from a good job and a bad job. The builders just want it done cheap. Its a tough market and there is very little loyalty anymore. Not like in the old days. Seems like the home builders would rather get it done cheap and chance it as to whether there is a problem or not. Then just address it later instead of paying up front for a good job. They don't frigging care as long as they get their money. Backwards thinking.

Probably the biggest factor though is the illegal, un-insured, non-tax paying Mexican contractors. When I quit 15 years ago, these guys were just helpers. Now, they are all "contractors." Just get on I-35, I-235, or I-44 in the mornings. Every other pick up truck either has a mixer behind it or a troweling machine in the back. They are everywhere and working cheap. Just take a drive down thru Capitol Hill or out thru Bethany. They are everywhere. There must be 300,000 or more in OKC. They can send their money back to Mexico and receive a 12 to 1 return. I would like some of that.

Don't get me wrong, I don't have anything against the Mexicans. Most are good hardworking family oriented people. And,who is going to do the work if they don't. Not these young white and black kids. Not gonna happen. Hell they are not gonna get dirty and sweaty. I just wish the Mexicans would have to play by the same rules.

Also, I believe the home builders through their associations, COHBA and NHBA, lobby the politicians to keep these guys coming, ie. cheap labor. I have long thought that contractor licensing would help bring validity to our trades locally. As it is now, any Juan or Jose can go rent himself a mixer and a wheel barrow and "OLE, I'm a contractor." That's BULLSH*T.

In summary, it is a tough market and a tough way to make a living. Its a shame that there is no adequate compensation for the hard work and experience that have we put into our trade. Unfortunately, I don't see things getting better anytime soon. I would encourage a young person to pursue something that requires a license; HVAC, Electrical, or Plumbing, etc.
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Yup, that summarizes it perfectly. When I left here for Dallas in 1985, 95% of all the construction workers were natives, today it is probably 75% non-natives with the ratio going to probably 90% non-natives in the masonry trade.

I had a slow period towards the end of the summer and had to go out looking for work for the first time in years. Instead of builders asking me about my prices, a lot of them would tell me what they have been paying and if I could do it for that price I could have the job. I was amazed at how many two and three man crews there were out there tying up jobs, some were mixing up on plywood and had a cutoff saw as the only equipment they had. Licensing would go a LONG way towards discouraging this.
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Well we all have to be licensed here in California and that's better I'm sure but not a solution because lots of licenced guys hire the illegals.

The laborers will work for $100 a day, masons for maybe $160. one of my clients had a laborer named Juan. He was a great guy and hard worker, but not legal and making $100 a day. Last year he started losing his voice. Over time we all asked him if he had been to a Dr, and he said yes. But after a few months it was clear he was dying. He left work, went back to Mexico and died a few weeks later.

I guess my point is when you can get someone cheap it's just too tempting. Juan's employer had American employees on a health plan, but not Juan.

So yeah licensing, with enforcement, but as you've said there are big forces at work trying to keep the staus quo.
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That's some nice looking masonry work. I really like the brick arch over the entry surrounded by the stone.
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Compensated? ehh somewhat...is it enough? No.

You obviously have a good idea what some of these guys are doing it for price wise, unfortunately I have to stay somewhat competitive with those prices just to keep myself busy. My price hasn't changed in ten years, what used to be an average price is now HIGH by some builders standards today. Because of this, time has to be saved somewhere, that is why I don't care about cleaning up broken brick. The time spent doing cleanup work that I don't get paid for could be better put to use stocking a scaffold, hanging a lead, making cuts etc... it's become a high production or else environment.

I strive to do better work than the competition, and I tire of doing the exact same thing on house after house, thus I try to come up with unique things for the area like the gable decoration. Would rather herringbone gables over putting the soldiers up them that is so prevalent around here. Anything to be just a little different than the status quo.

Some of the prices that I hear make me really wonder how much longer I will stay in this line of work. I still enjoy doing it but if I can make the same amount or more money doing something else less strenuous, then it might be time to let them have it.
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