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Old 10-25-2014, 11:48 PM   #21
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I'm not sure how or why it keeps happening to you.

But, just my unsolicited two cents, I've seen it before during the demo phase. I think a lot of people think of demo as just removing the old to make way for the new. But, there's really a skill involved so you don't make additional work by piercing water lines or cutting wires, etc.

To this day I learned one of my most valuable lessons reading these threads. The thread was about an HVAC contractor who pierced a water line installing base molding. The pipe didn't leak for two months. But it was a commercial apartment building. When it leaked, it flooded the lobby, ruined computers, etc. His insurance didn't cover the damage because it was not related to HVAC. He was phucked.

I'm sorry your going through a tough time. But, experience is the best teacher.
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Old 03-26-2015, 06:48 PM   #22
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Well at last I didn't set a couple buildings at fire and some buildings collapsed. Once I read - in construction job if you do mistake it can be disaster or catastrophe. In computer job if you do wrong you press esc button and start again. Again they are better paid then us.
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What building collapsed?
Do you have any pictures?
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Well at least I didn't set a couple buildings at fire and some buildings collapsed.
He may be referring to lower Manhattan today.
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They said it was a gas explosion yet no one smelled gas or reported smelling gas.
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He may be referring to lower Manhattan today.
Just that. Evidently some poor plumber did something wrong. Now they will take him apart.
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They said it was a gas explosion yet no one smelled gas or reported smelling gas.
Gas Co. was there an hour before the blast. New gas line in building failed inspection, they were told to fix it. Boom

Not ConEds gas line, private contractor

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Just that. Evidently some poor plumber did something wrong. Now they will take him apart.
poor plumber? It's a bit bigger problem
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here some tips:
Stop with the sawzall! use a hammer to punch across the drywall. The sawzall can be used for cleaning up the edges when you know what's in the wall.
Or, set your cordless circular saw to 1/2" and cut the drywall.

Before you close a wall, take a picture and mark all pipes on the floor with marker or tape.

Nail plates are code probably everywhere. Use them or make sure the plumber does.

Shorter nails and glue the trim in areas with pipes.
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In 40 years in the business I've never run into this problem.As was mentioned ,you may need to bid your jobs a little higher so you can slow down a little and not have these issues.
I did tear a wall out one time and found a nail thru a waterline that had probably been here for years.Not leaking a bit until I pulled the nail to repair the line.
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Having torn off drywall and seen both water and electric notched into the surface of the framing instead of through the center of the studs, I have some empathy for people who have this happen. In some situations you can do everything right and just happen to win the crappy lottery.
I had the opposite happen on a siding job I was on. Somewhere in the last 100 years an electrician had run a line between the studs and the old sheathing. Our nailing depth was exactly what it should have been for the siding patch we were doing, but there's no accounting for a line where it shouldn't be.

I feel for you, OP.

Ethan had the most important post in this thread though. Electric and water mains should be located as the first thing you do on pretty much any job. Walking around the basement looking for a water shut off might seem like a waste of a perfectly good 5 minutes on a basic trim installation, but it's what I was taught to do and it has served me well. Having the water shut off in seconds as opposed to minutes can save you some serious coin!
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notching off the surface is not uncommon for electrical retrofits.

Demo work can be a lot like archaeology. You think its supposed to be 20 feet down, but that doesn't mean you start work with a back hoe.
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here some tips:
Stop with the sawzall! use a hammer to punch across the drywall. The sawzall can be used for cleaning up the edges when you know what's in the wall.
Or, set your cordless circular saw to 1/2" and cut the drywall.

Before you close a wall, take a picture and mark all pipes on the floor with marker or tape.

Nail plates are code probably everywhere. Use them or make sure the plumber does.

Shorter nails and glue the trim in areas with pipes.
This is pretty much it. If it's really iffy, use a hand tool to finish your cut.

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