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Old 05-31-2014, 07:56 PM   #21
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Old 05-31-2014, 08:09 PM   #22
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"I" - don't need you. "I" am not the OP.
And, how do I know if I could afford you if I don't know what you charge? But, either way, it's a mute point with me, because I don't have the issue.
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I'm in my 20's and can flare pipe.
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i dont know how to braise or flare
Your a plumber and don't know how . Seems basic plumbing skills during coarse of training ( schooling ) and I'm no license plumber .
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I'm not saying those of you who say you can flare, can't.

But I've personally met a lot of guys that "think" they know how to flare but don't.

Making a proper flared connection is an art. Not the type of thing you can learn from a You Tube video.

Those of you that can, great.
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Your a plumber and don't know how . Seems basic plumbing skills during coarse of training ( schooling ) and I'm no license plumber .
I'm know a lot of plumbers that don't know how to flare. Real licensed, master plumbers too. They may know the concept. They may have been taught at one time. But they don't make flared connections regularly so, they say they don't to avoid failure. A man needs to know his limitations.

Just my opinion.

Also, compression fittings are quicker and have come a long way so the need for flared connections is reduced.
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I'm not a plumber, yet I sweat copper neater and cleaner than 99 percent of the so called pro plumbers I've seen around he. I've yet to see a plumber deburr the cut pipe, let alone wipe clean the joints.
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Your a plumber and don't know how . Seems basic plumbing skills during coarse of training ( schooling ) and I'm no license plumber .
braising is more commercial...im residential....other than 2 welding classes none of my other classes were hands on.....

ive needed to flare a gas joint once ever!...i hired someone else to do it for me

im a master plumber, union trained......the union has more schooling than the non-union......its not a training thing.....its an experience thing....no need for either joint on residential 99.999% of the time....i dont know lead joints either
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Flared - done correctly - is an incredible connection. Now, find me someone under 50 who can do one correctly.
Flaring is used all the time in refrigeration, I think I flared my first copper pipe for my father at the age of 6.

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i dont know how to braise or flare

i was pretty sure a sharkbite is code, but id never trust it underground

im glad i passed on the job....i didnt want to do it and work this weekend anyways....let the cheap homeowner pay more to repair his F up then he would have paid me to bust his floor.....

he need some cast iron repiped under the floor....we will see if he calls me to fix it or if the copper repair guy does it for him
Cut the bullsh!t, I hate hearing someone make up excuses for when they don't have to tools or the skillset to get the job done and come up with BS reasons like "I didn't want the work anyway"

This is a sign that you should but a flaring tool and keep some fittings on hand. My 2-bit fat wire jockey ass could have done the repair and collected the cheque and still gotten home in time for dinner.
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even in refrigeration, I thought that was 100% brazing
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even in refrigeration, I thought that was 100% brazing
Swage n braze or flare. Copper gas lines are flare.
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Flare the mf. It's not that difficult. Practice a couple of times above ground, and proceed. I can't believe many plumbers don't have a flaring tool in their rig.
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Flare the mf. It's not that difficult. Practice a couple of times above ground, and proceed. I can't believe many plumbers don't have a flaring tool in their rig.
I have had one the last 10+ years yet have used it about 5x lol
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had a call last night from a homeowner jackhammering up their basement to save $$ from me having to do it.....they hit their well water supply...looks like they didnt save any $ after all.

i dont think you can solder fittings underground...i thought it needed to be braised...

how would you handle a broken copper pipe underground?

braise?
sharkbites(i think they are underground legal)?
compression coupling?

i told him to call someone else...he called Friday night.....i bet he will end up paying $1,000 for someone to come fix it on the weekend.....if he can find someone to do it
I don't know, you can't blame a fella for trying to save a few $. The guy needed your help, and you turned your back. It's not a good look.

We do service ___. Unfortunately, things seem to have a tendency to happen close to closing time. Sometimes we have to take on jobs just to save face. In the future, get a flaring tool, practice a couple of times, so that you will look like a superstar the next time something like this arises.
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I don't know, you can't blame a fella for trying to save a few $. The guy needed your help, and you turned your back. It's not a good look.

We do service ___. Unfortunately, things seem to have a tendency to happen close to closing time. Sometimes we have to take on jobs just to save face. In the future, get a flaring tool, practice a couple of times, so that you will look like a superstar the next time something like this arises.
And instead of wasting the time of both parties, make f'n bank.
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This is what I have used if I needed to flare exterior underground 3/4" copper.

http://www.amazon.com/Reed-Copper-Pi.../dp/B001H4M0BU
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This is what I have used if I needed to flare exterior underground 3/4" copper.

http://www.amazon.com/Reed-Copper-Pi.../dp/B001H4M0BU
Yep, water service tubing uses a hammer flaring tool, it's a good idea to keep a rerounding tool around as well, and make damn sure you flare it evenly.
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Flaring isn't too hard with the reed tools. But why not use compression and be done with it? We use compression anytime we put water main together. I'm a utility contractor and we don't use anything but compression, for corp stops, curb stops, etc. I test them to 150 psi and not ever any problems. And you can fix broken lines live.
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Flaring isn't too hard with the reed tools. But why not use compression and be done with it? We use compression anytime we put water main together. I'm a utility contractor and we don't use anything but compression, for corp stops, curb stops, etc. I test them to 150 psi and not ever any problems. And you can fix broken lines live.
Code here only allows those if you are transitioning from lead to copper, and they would prefer that it be compression on the lead side only, with the copper side being flared, but that can be a difficult fitting to track down sometimes.
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Interesting if anyone sees a flare around here they are normally removed and a compression installed. That is for underground anyways. We are also using a lot of cts HDPE. Where you will use a stainless stiffener then the compression fitting on that. Copper is starting to go by the wayside in many of the local municipalities especially anything larger than 1".

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