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Old 06-26-2019, 10:25 AM   #21
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Could the scoring on the PEX come from feeding it through a wall, etc?
Maybe a sharp edge/nail?
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Old 07-06-2019, 12:18 AM   #22
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I have Sharkbite fittings that are at least 10 years old without issue on my home. I have no problem trusting them. They are approved.


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Lead pipes, cast iron, and cpvc were all approved as well...
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Lead pipes, cast iron, and cpvc were all approved as well...


So those things failed that means Sharkebites will fail. How do you square that circle.

Makes no sense.


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Lead pipes, cast iron, and cpvc were all approved as well...
So tell me what's wrong with lead, cast iron and cpvc?

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So tell me what's wrong with lead, cast iron and cpvc?

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I was wondering the same thing

Cast iron lasts for 75-100 years

lead pipe lasts for 100 years, quickly gets a coating on the inside which stops lead contaminating the water in most instances. If it did not virtually all of the people in the older towns of northeast in the last 100 years would have already had lead poisoning

cpvc lasts for 50 years but does get brittle in some locations, not my favorite where it gets cold

as a test several years ago my plumber tested an old lead water supply line that was removed. He folded and pinched one end filled it with water and put a fernco cap on the other end, 2 years later he tested it for lead. Came up near zero ppm.
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Cast iron lasts for 75-100 years



lead pipe lasts for 100 years, quickly gets a coating on the inside which stops lead contaminating the water in most instances. If it did not virtually all of the people in the older towns of northeast in the last 100 years would have already had lead poisoning



cpvc lasts for 50 years but does get brittle in some locations, not my favorite where it gets cold



as a test several years ago my plumber tested an old lead water supply line that was removed. He folded and pinched one end filled it with water and put a fernco cap on the other end, 2 years later he tested it for lead. Came up near zero ppm.
My house has a lead service until a few years ago....I didn't die.

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Cast iron lasts for 75-100 years

More like 50 years.

lead pipe lasts for 100 years, quickly gets a coating on the inside which stops lead contaminating the water in most instances. If it did not virtually all of the people in the older towns of northeast in the last 100 years would have already had lead poisoning

That's not what the people in Flint, MI told me.

cpvc lasts for 50 years but does get brittle in some locations, not my favorite where it gets cold

It does tend to get chilly here at times.

as a test several years ago my plumber tested an old lead water supply line that was removed. He folded and pinched one end filled it with water and put a fernco cap on the other end, 2 years later he tested it for lead. Came up near zero ppm.
That wasn't really my point. Materials that have been approved in the past sometimes can't survive the long term. I'm a big fan of sharkbite fittings, especially to transition to PEX from other materials. However, just because it's approved doesn't mean that there won't be failures in the future.
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lead pipe lasts for 100 years, quickly gets a coating on the inside which stops lead contaminating the water in most instances. If it did not virtually all of the people in the older towns of northeast in the last 100 years would have already had lead poisoning
Not exactly, but not exactly wrong either. The coating that develops does keep the lead level down but not zero. It's also fragile and inconsistent. Not a good system to have faith in. I wouldn't have it in my house and have my kids drinking from lead pipes.
BTW, A lot of people in the NE do have elevated lead levels. How else do you explain Eagles and Patriots fans?
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Not exactly, but not exactly wrong either. The coating that develops does keep the lead level down but not zero. It's also fragile and inconsistent. Not a good system to have faith in. I wouldn't have it in my house and have my kids drinking from lead pipes.
BTW, A lot of people in the NE do have elevated lead levels. How else do you explain Eagles and Patriots fans?
lead pipe is not fragile at all, you can hit it with a hammer and it just bends. lasts for 50 or so years
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That wasn't really my point. Materials that have been approved in the past sometimes can't survive the long term. I'm a big fan of sharkbite fittings, especially to transition to PEX from other materials. However, just because it's approved doesn't mean that there won't be failures in the future.
cast iron lasts way more than 50 years. Again if that were the case every house here built before 1970 would be having all their waste lines replaced, which is not the case at all. My plumber is just replacing a few sections from houses built in the late 40s and earlier.
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Plumber says the water main. Hi they just shatter. All very old but lead.

We change all galvanized pipe but leave cast for waste. The plumber likes PEX and tries to convince me all the time. Showed me pictures of one expanded like a balloon and didn't bust. He uses expansion fittings.

I still don't like them.

Could this be a recycled shark bite fittings that list a tooth or two and the score is just a mark from gripping the pipe taking it in and off?
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lead pipe is not fragile at all, you can hit it with a hammer and it just bends. lasts for 50 or so years
I was talking about the magic film that instantly makes lead 100% safe. If a change in the water can wipe it away I'd say it's pretty fragile.
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Lead poisoning doesn't kill. It just reduces the IQ of kids to that of an average Canadian.
Some claim all heavy metals cause this....


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I have sharkbites in my home as well , used to replace crimped fittings that failed .

I still would not trust them in a cutomerís home for more than a temporary fix , just because.

The end caps are very useful for remodeling, and easily removed without having to cut the pipe
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I used a short 8" piece of pex and two sharkbite fittings on my oil-fired boiler a few days ago to repair a pinhole leak that are always developing. It's close to the boiler but is the cold water supply and I checked the temp several times and the pex and fittings haven't gotten past 105*.

It's not meant as a permanent fix but is working fine until I get down there to sweat over sweating more copper.
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They are even approved for burial.


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