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Old 01-14-2011, 05:52 PM   #81
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Yo, those labels were temps, until the HO made his own labels. The labels are not my handiwork anyway.
His own labels.

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HO sounds serious.
He didn't like the cheesy-azz labels supplied with the Mana-Blocks, so he decided to do his own.

Everything in this house is over the top. He built manifolds for the showers and tubs, so that he could run 2 half inch supplies to each side of each diverter. Hots have a circ. loop to each manifold, but there are still a few long runs from the manifold to the fixture. I doubt the HOs are worried about waiting a few seconds for hot water, or wasting it for that matter.

Theres about 9000 sq. ft. of heated floor, not counting the loops in the exterior stairs and walkways.

There's 5 Unico systems circulating chilled water for the AC.
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One problem does exist with PEX.

One time a mouse chewed through it on an old farmhouse, ya know the type.......massive wood beams and such. The water line were pex and it was drilled through a beam in the kitchen partition wall.....almost impossible to work on and get to, the pex was fed right through it.

Of course the dam mouse had to chew right near the edge so it all had to be ripped out. The 90 year old lady said "Why would anybody make plastic water lines?"

I ended up running soft copper to repair it.

It's very rare but the darndest things happen in the plumbing world.

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If a plumber showed up on my jobsite ready to install pex, I would strangle him to death or beat him unconscious with it.
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If a plumber showed up on my jobsite ready to install pex, I would strangle him to death or beat him unconscious with it.
Would you do that if the customer demanded it? Plumbers don't do it by choice....I don't at least. If they want to pay for copper I will order a semi-load from the factory if need be.

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Would you do that if the customer demanded it?
Tell the customer that the product is not code approved in northern IL and if they want it installed they have to pull their own permit and install it themselves.
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Would you do that if the customer demanded it? Plumbers don't do it by choice....I don't at least. If they want to pay for copper I will order a semi-load from the factory if need be.

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Copper is what we typically install.. I will and do install CPVC as well any day over that pex crap.
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Copper is what we typically install.. I will and do install CPVC as well any day over that pex crap.
Have you ever even used pex? I once thought that pex would suck because of the reported Zurn fitting failures and it's notoriously failure prone cousin CPVC, however after using pex I've realized one thing: pex is the future and the longer we deny it, the more money we will throw away on copper.

Copper is proven to last over the years, but outside of that, it is heavier, it is 10 times the cost of pex per foot and takes 5-10 times as long to install. On top of that, pex will usually survive freezing with water in the line and is more corrosion resistant than copper. To attach a fitting you just use a pair of crimps to tighten a band in place and you're done. No messy flux or glue. No cleaning of fittings. No torches. If a joint fails on your pressure test, you simply replace the fitting which takes about a minute. Now what happens when a copper joint fails? We all know that it's an absolute nightmare. You have to drain the lines, heat the joint and pull it apart, clean it, heat the lines to remove moisture, re-solder the joint, etc.

Pex has little if any drawbacks when compared with copper, and CPVC is the crap product of the bunch if you ask me.
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Now what happens when a copper joint fails? We all know that it's an absolute nightmare. You have to drain the lines, heat the joint and pull it apart, clean it, heat the lines to remove moisture, re-solder the joint, etc.
Well, the trick is to know how to do it well enough to not have a leak, the second trick is to know how to repair a leak without going through what you just described, and yes it can be done.
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Well, the trick is to know how to do it well enough to not have a leak, the second trick is to know how to repair a leak without going through what you just described, and yes it can be done.
I'm not saying pex lets you do shoddy work. I personally haven't had a joint fail in the last 6 years, granted I only solder stuff about 3-4 times a year. If you know a better way to fix a faulty joint without pulling that connection apart, cleaning, fluxing and resoldering, I'm all ears.
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I think this thread just took a major turn in the wrong direction.


Get Angus over here to put this out before it gets out of control.
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One problem does exist with PEX.

One time a mouse chewed through it on an old farmhouse, ya know the type.......massive wood beams and such. The water line were pex and it was drilled through a beam in the kitchen partition wall.....almost impossible to work on and get to, the pex was fed right through it.

Of course the dam mouse had to chew right near the edge so it all had to be ripped out. The 90 year old lady said "Why would anybody make plastic water lines?"

I ended up running soft copper to repair it.

It's very rare but the darndest things happen in the plumbing world.

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Maybe the mouse was thirsty.
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I'm not saying pex lets you do shoddy work. I personally haven't had a joint fail in the last 6 years, granted I only solder stuff about 3-4 times a year. If you know a better way to fix a faulty joint without pulling that connection apart, cleaning, fluxing and resoldering, I'm all ears.
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Sigh...

Bottom line of my original on-topic point: pex is wonderful, and barring any major long-term problems, it is revolutionary and will become the new standard.
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Brand new to this site and a total thumbs up!....

Pex....the best thing ever...well for our industry!

As a remodeling contractor it is faster easier and allows me to sleep much better at night!

The tools of the trade have came way down...and short of forgetting to crime a fitting it is really fault proof. CPVC...some swear by it...copper..to timely and costly and the risk some idiot will burn a house down!

Again...great site!
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Very few plumbers in my area use Pex.. I don't know any personally that do but I have heard my plumbers say they have seen it installed..


The only people who use or talk about Pex here, are Remodelers and GC's trying to do plumbing without using a licensed plumber to do their work.

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The exception being Pex used for radiant floors..
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Very few plumbers in my area use Pex.. I don't know any personally that do but I have heard my plumbers say they have seen it installed..


The only people who use or talk about Pex here, are Remodelers and GC's trying to do plumbing without using a licensed plumber to do their work.

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The exception being Pex used for radiant floors..
All these homes are plumbed with Pex and Mana-Blocs.
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I am sure it works for some.. I have no doubt plumbers use it day in day out, its just not for me.

I am not convinced it is something I would install in my customers home.

As time goes by I might change my mine, but for right now its a no go..
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I am sure it works for some.. I have no doubt plumbers use it day in day out, its just not for me.

I am not convinced it is something I would install in my customers home.

As time goes by I might change my mine, but for right now its a no go..
I had my doubts as well.

I've seen more failures with copper in new construction than Pex. The truth of the matter is, a licensed plumber employs less skilled labor than a career carpenter with limited plumbing skills , in many cases.

Water quality has caused many failures in copper in my area as well.

Pex isn't for everybody or every situation, but I'd use it in my house, just like OSB and #30 felt for a WRB.

I remember when guys were bitching about plastic waste lines as well. No way a glued fitting is better than lead and oakum....
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Crazy how many areas dont use pex. I havent seen a copper run house in over 10 years. The only copper is the wall stubs for toilet and sinks, and sometimes there pex to. I think the stuff is gold.

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