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Old 01-11-2018, 03:07 PM   #1
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Building under 2015 code and thought this dude was a bit off when he made us fill the waste lines all the way to the top of the vents under test to pass rough.

Had a list 7 items long at 1st correction notice to final. Building a single family home by the way. Plumber made all corrections and recalled inspection. Have a second list of corrections including appliances must be installed to final plumbing. Seems rediculous to me and am mulling making a stink over this but don't want to ruin good will with other inspectors. Anyone see appliance installation as a requirement to final plumbing?
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Old 01-11-2018, 03:13 PM   #2
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I can see for gas appliances.

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Building under 2015 code and thought this dude was a bit off when he made us fill the waste lines all the way to the top of the vents under test to pass rough.

Had a list 7 items long at 1st correction notice to final. Building a single family home by the way. Plumber made all corrections and recalled inspection. Have a second list of corrections including appliances must be installed to final plumbing. Seems rediculous to me and am mulling making a stink over this but don't want to ruin good will with other inspectors. Anyone see appliance installation as a requirement to final plumbing?
Top of vents is standard here, unless you can build 10 feet of head above your last fitting.

Never heard of appliances having to be installed. That's a weird one. What kind of appliances? Like stove and oven?



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yep, fill to tops of vents standard in my part of Colorado.

And "ALL" apppliances need to be installed and functional before CO is issued. And I'm in the friggin boonies.

They just outlawed double and single wides set on piers too.

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We don't fill them, just plug them and charge with air pressure that has to hold for 15 minutes. We can use water, but I've never seen anyone do it.

I've never had to have appliances installed for final.
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We don't fill them, just plug them and charge with air pressure that has to hold for 15 minutes. We can use water, but I've never seen anyone do it.

I've never had to have appliances installed for final.
water fill and pressurize tests are required as well. $$$$$
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yep, fill to tops of vents standard in my part of Colorado.

And "ALL" apppliances need to be installed and functional before CO is issued. And I'm in the friggin boonies.

They just outlawed double and single wides set on piers too.
How the hell do they get that from builders who sell new homes without appliances?
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Air test here , would have frozen pipes otherwise.
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How the hell do they get that from builders who sell new homes without appliances?

Good question. I'll have to ask my GC friend...or ask one of the inspectors when I see one. We seem to be getting Californicated here in CO as of late. Not that long ago you could build a new home with scribbled drawings on a restaurant napkin, show it to the county boobs and they'd OK it.

They just outlawed tiny homes too. This is a region with wide open spaces..lots of people with 20-100 acres. Big area, small populace and yet the bull****e keeps getting deeper.

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Good question. I'll have to ask my GC friend...or ask one of the inspectors when I see one. We seem to be getting Californicated here in CO as of late. Not that long ago you could build a new home with scribbled drawings on a restaurant napkin, show it to the county boobs and they'd OK it.

They just outlawed tiny homes too. This is a region with wide open spaces..lots of people with 20-100 acres. Big area, small populace and yet the bull****e keeps getting deeper.
Washer and dryer too?

Thatís all going to add up to big money.

Here they just do the dishwasher.
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How the hell do they get that from builders who sell new homes without appliances?
Iíd go to the appliance place and try to buy scrapped out ones. PITA but better than spending $3K+
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I can see for gas appliances.
Why?
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Washer and dryer too?

Thatís all going to add up to big money.

Here they just do the dishwasher.
I just did a new home Monday, dishwasher, micro, stove/oven, washer dryer and fridge. GC told me if was a must for the CO. This was in Park County in CO.
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We ask that "installed" appliances, like dishwashers, be in for a final. Portable, movable, not "installed" appliances don't have to be there.

On the plumbing look at the 2015 IPC, section 312.2 10-foot head of water or filled to the highest point.
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Like others said we always fill them like that, as a matter a fact in the summer or weather permitting they go on the roof with the hose and fill it up.

As the appliances go, yes they check appliance installation since they came out with a tip-over prevention bracket to make sure the stove is secured so usually they will only check that and now they check the hood-vents to make sure they don't require make-up air.
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I just did a new home Monday, dishwasher, micro, stove/oven, washer dryer and fridge. GC told me if was a must for the CO. This was in Park County in CO.
Id raise hell about washer and dryer if it was a spec especially. Maybe the people like laundry mats or dry cleaning...

Had one inspector say he wanted appliances and I told him the situation which was that the client bought the appliances through Best Buy or somewhere instead of my vendor and I was not installing them. I said that the co would have to be taken care of later and he was cool and issued it that day. In reality I would have put the appliances in if it was not going to allow them to get a CO. Just more government over-reaching.

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Iíd go to the appliance place and try to buy scrapped out ones. PITA but better than spending $3K+
No used crap is ever gong to go in one of my new homes.

Show me where its in the book, and I'll comply.

Hell, I put new appliances in a 700/month rental.

But: No one's pulled that on me here in Oakland or Lapeer Counties.

Typical read of a C of O doc: "All appliances must be installed properly and be in proper working order."

That does NOT mean "all appliances must be installed." No, no, no.
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Interesting.

I wonder if someone was pulling my leg. I'm calling the County tomorrow.
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D/W makes sense. There's a water and electric connection - safety and water damage reason. Gas stove makes sense. 75% of them I pull out are hooked up wrong. Pipe dope on the fitting. Washer/dryer makes no sense. Visible hose connection and an electric plug.

Fill vents through the roof here. More of a pain on remodels where it means we have to install a test ball fitting to isolate the new.
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Interesting.

I wonder if someone was pulling my leg. I'm calling the County tomorrow.
In Colorado, there is no state adopted, overarching building code. That means individual jurisdictions can write whatever they want.

However - its not what some official "thinks" is the way he wants to run his little dictatorship. Whatever code there is, has to be voted on and adopted by the local municipality - be it county, unincorporated township, Village, city, etc.

And for that to be voted on - this body of rules and standards - it has to be in writing.

"In Colorado there is no compulsory statewide building code. Each jurisdiction in Colorado decides which code they want to adopt but it has to be at least the 2003 IECC."

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