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Old 11-20-2018, 06:21 PM   #1
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Outside Spigot Question.


I installed 2 new spigots that are attached to an outside shower control.
I couldn't get the one on the right tightened past 3 o'clock and had to back it out in order for it to get to 6 o'clock, where it should be.

I taped and used pipe dope on the threads. Even backed off, nothing leaks but the entire spigot turns when you open and close the handle.

Is there a cure for this...will time solidify things?

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Old 11-20-2018, 07:15 PM   #2
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Re: Outside Spigot Question.


Pipe dope will harden, but teflon tape stays slippery. I think it will keep turning.

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Tough to tell, but you may be able to get the extra quarter turn with a tap and die and possibky a file. Otherwise, I think you're looking at a washer and straight pipe dope.
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Re: Outside Spigot Question.


Never thought about a washer.

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use a little less tape forget the washer
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I've had some bad luck in the past with these threaded plumbing fittings. I used to use just tape and tighten hard...leak.

Switched to dope...tighten hard...leak.

I asked around and a few plumbers said they use both. Today was the first time I tried both and it didn't leak...but it didn't line up either.

The one on the left was perfect. Just another little "umph" and it was at 6 o'clock. The right one wouldn't budge past 3.
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Chances are decent that if you bought another one, it would not have stopped at 3:00.

..and you might even be curious enough to try, as I was. (it worked for me, but not the same brand)
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Re: Outside Spigot Question.


Dope softens the plastic so avoid it there unless separated by tephlon.

I guess it's more or less tape. I know anytime I fight black pipe for alignment tightening multiple pieces at together instead of once at a time is much more cooperative. Maybe a nipple in between?
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Why did you use tape and dope? It's one or the other. I like teflon tape for plumbing. If you don't get the position you like you wrap more tape. Otherwise you use dope, tighten to the position you want and let it dry.
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Like I said, I've tried both alone and have leaks. Not all the time but enough to piss me off. Two plumbers at the plumbing supply house I use said they use both...wrap with teflon 3 wraps, then slather on the dope uniformly.
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Thought you needed to let the pipe dope dry overnight before pressurizing. Which is why I use teflon tape. Never heard of using both.
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Thought you needed to let the pipe dope dry overnight before pressurizing. Which is why I use teflon tape. Never heard of using both.
Never heard of letting in dry. It's used to fill air gaps and as a lubricant.
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Just did a little research and apparently, using both is pretty common....on metal parts.
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https://www.amazon.com/Loctite-442-3...26699239&psc=1

This stuff is the shiz for sealing problem threaded joints.

I had a damaged fitting on my outdoor boiler, where I could only get a couple threads engaged, used this stuff, and it's been holding fine for 10 years.

I also used it on a hydraulic cylinder with a damaged fitting, I'm a big fan.

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Just did a little research and apparently, using both is pretty common....on metal parts.
Not that it's right. I figure many keep trying stuff until it solves the prblen, then they're locked on it for good.

It's like seeing a guy dope a flare fitting...you can't tell him anything once it worked for him.
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Not that it's right. I figure many keep trying stuff until it solves the prblen, then they're locked on it for good.

It's like seeing a guy dope a flare fitting...you can't tell him anything once it worked for him.
A few of these comments were from plumbers.
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A few of these comments were from plumbers.
I used to question plumbers when they deviated from the proper methods. I don't do that anymore, and sometimes it turns out I was probably right..but I keep quiet out of respect.
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It's pretty common to use both, but I only do it on gas fittings. I've never used both for water. Never needed to.

Gas/air molecules are smaller than water molecules, so that is why sometimes a system will not hold test pressure, yet does not leak water. Hence the use of both for gas.

For what it's worth, when both are used, the teflon tape goes on the male threads, and the dope goes on the female.

If it's bottoming out before it's tight, there is most likely something wrong with either the female or male fitting. It's not supposed to do that.

You should not depend on dope hardening to hold a fitting. The best pipe thread compounds are non-hardening. It's not designed to hold loose fittings by hardening up.
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Neither pipe dope nor teflon tape is about making the seal. It's only an anti-seize so you can tighten the fitting enough to get the proper thread on thread seal.
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It's pretty common to use both, but I only do it on gas fittings. I've never used both for water. Never needed to.

Gas/air molecules are smaller than water molecules, so that is why sometimes a system will not hold test pressure, yet does not leak water. Hence the use of both for gas.

For what it's worth, when both are used, the teflon tape goes on the male threads, and the dope goes on the female.

If it's bottoming out before it's tight, there is most likely something wrong with either the female or male fitting. It's not supposed to do that.

You should not depend on dope hardening to hold a fitting. The best pipe thread compounds are non-hardening. It's not designed to hold loose fittings by hardening up.
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