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Old 04-28-2013, 08:37 PM   #1
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Steel Beam In The Family Room


Used to do concrete and framing in house (10 years) and went the all sub route last year. Realizing how much they did without us not having to worry about certain things. Question today has to do with Structural Steel, which my main guy took care of and maintained a relationship with a welder.

Our framer put in a steel beam (W12 x 79, see picture) that is exposed in the kitchen/family room area. They used their own steel guy. Now we have to put some wood to the steel (not lowering ceiling but just area directly below beam to have a more pronounced separation between family room and kitchen). The beam has no holes or studs welded on. I called my older structural steel guys to come out and drill holes or weld studs and they said they gladly would do it for a fee (bummed they didn't get the job of course), but the owner said your new steel guy should have done this for you. He said, "we take care of our customers". He said doesn't matter what's on the plans they should have drilled those holes based on the location of the beam and if you weren't going to use the holes drywall would cover them up anyway.

I asked my framer to do it for me to save the $ for the 10 holes I was going to pay my old sub to do it and my framer said he would do it but it would be an extra. I know my framer didn't get shop drawings either and not sure if that would have made a difference.

So my question is should the beam have come with holes given the known location of the beam on the plans (structural second floor framing plan) or should I have to pay for this as an extra. If the pros say I should have to pay for it, then I'm more than happy to, just don't know the protocol. Thanks.
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Old 04-28-2013, 08:52 PM   #2
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Nothing on the plans or shop drawings indicating holes are required ... break out the check book, 10 holes...go buy a few drill bits and do it yourself, you'll be done in 15 minutes

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Grab your powder actuated Hilti and shoot on a couple of 2x4's and call it a day.
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You want to know if you have to pay for holes you never asked for in the first place? Seriously?
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be hell on the manicure tho
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Just trying to understand protocol. My old welding sub seemed to strongly imply that the holes should have been there so was wondering if this is true and if the fact that framer didn't get show drawings made a difference. More about understanding than trying to get out of paying for something.
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Well I think everyone who has been around a bit knows the rule "stick to the Print".
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Stick to the print. I like it.

That's another problem we've had with this first one without our crew is our plans lack a lot of details that we need to include for next one (we use a draftsman and certain details weren't as important when we were using our long term crew). Learn and improve is all you can do sometimes......
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My opinion would be....That whoever is constructing/framing the wall should be the one who decides and be responsible for how the wall is connected to the floor or beam. That is if there are no specific details in a set of plans/specs.

This is something you should have caught prior to this becoming an issue though. Always have your sub submit a shop drawing. If this was caught in the submittal phase, it would have not been an issue and no addtional cost. Much easier to drill or punch holes at a beam in the shop. Just my 2 cents...best of luck.
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Just trying to understand protocol. My old welding sub seemed to strongly imply that the holes should have been there so was wondering if this is true and if the fact that framer didn't get show drawings made a difference. More about understanding than trying to get out of paying for something.
Yeah I like making promises after the fact for jobs I didn't get.
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Nothing on the plans or shop drawings indicating holes are required ... break out the check book, 10 holes...go buy a few drill bits and do it yourself, you'll be done in 15 minutes
On a 1279 it will likely take a bit longer than that. This always falls on the GC.
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A mag drill will make quick work of this...
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I have designed and built this exact same scenario. My original brainchild was to have a seamless transition
with a smooth 24' clear spam between the kitchen and family room on the first floor, the steel beam supports the second level.
Now they want a drop beam to divide the rooms?
That idea sucks like a new girlfriend.
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I was going to point out we have a mag drill so as when we are responsible for the red iron I prefer to drill myself on site, usually more accurate
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I would have to agree, unless the separation details were on the plan, no holes. typically fabricators will not do anything they are not called out to do on the plans.
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Damn, Owattabuilder, you made me read this thread again. 14 month old thread, I assume he got it figured out by now....
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