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Old 05-04-2017, 10:43 PM   #1
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Tasked with renovating almost 200 lineal feet of 5' wide hallway circa 1956 motif.

Standard 4-6-8 black grooved paneling...
with 8' ceiling height....

Need to abate carpet over asbestos tile.

THE WALLS??????

4' high tackboard with a nice moulding,....

Every 16' or so a 4-8' wide floor to ceiling tackboard for the bulletin board effect....

Ceiling is funky azz acoustic tile....

Fix with 2' x 2' LED fixtures turned 90 deg from sq,

What to put from tackboard to ceiling??????

I think drywall is out due to budget but haven't fought that battle yet....

existing door casing also comes in to play.....

I am the designer, architect, engineer and GC....

This sucks.....
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Old 05-04-2017, 11:09 PM   #2
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Doesn't the floor to ceiling tack board go to the ceiling?? :p

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If you skim the paneling, you can always paint or wallpaper that part.
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Doesn't the floor to ceiling tack board go to the ceiling?? :p
Tackboard is like a wainscoting at 4' high except at floor to ceiling bulletin board condition.

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If you skim the paneling, you can always paint or wallpaper that part.
yes good idea, may end up beiny the easiest.
Ive been trying to come up with a thin sheet goods, like frp but not frp.
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If a skim coat will stick, it is always the easiest in this situation. It also doesn't change the reveals very much.

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If a skim coat will stick, it is always the easiest in this situation. It also doesn't change the reveals very much.

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Yea, skim coat sticking is a concern. That old paneling is shiny and smooth.

I may try a small section, scuff it and wipe it down with lacquer thinner.
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Yea, skim coat sticking is a concern. That old paneling is shiny and smooth.

I may try a small section, scuff it and wipe it down with lacquer thinner.
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On something like this, you never get the grooves cleaned out. You can get a surface clean on the rest of it. If it has been painted or sealed in some way, I treat it just like paint prep. Acetone dries too fast for me to really do a clean on that ~1600 sqft wall fast. Denatured alcohol works pretty well, sometimes diluted - it depends how fast you can work. I'll do 1600 sqft in about 30 minutes.

Adhesion in the grooves is likely going to be the issue. They may need pigmented shellac sprayed into them. I haven't tried the shellac replacements to say whether they would work or not, but shellac is the only thing I've ever tried that will stick to crayon wax.
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I would be concerned about the carpet over asbestos, is it glued down? We don't touch anything with asbestos involved at work, have the proper protection and training there! I do Restoration work, if we pull a carpet and see asbestos tile/or think it is, we STOP, and get it tested/call the Insurance adjuster, and go from there!

And what do you mean by the 2x2 LED fixtures, turned 90 degrees from square???
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And what do you mean by the 2x2 LED fixtures, turned 90 degrees from square???
He means they'll be in rotated on a 45 degree (no 90 that just makes it look the same).
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Naw, you just hang 'em by one edge. 90.

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I would be concerned about the carpet over asbestos, is it glued down? We don't touch anything with asbestos involved at work, have the proper protection and training there! I do Restoration work, if we pull a carpet and see asbestos tile/or think it is, we STOP, and get it tested/call the Insurance adjuster, and go from there!

And what do you mean by the 2x2 LED fixtures, turned 90 degrees from square???
carpet is set as an abatement project.

the light fixtures....instead of two sides being parallel with the walls i want them to be at 45deg.

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On something like this, you never get the grooves cleaned out. You can get a surface clean on the rest of it. If it has been painted or sealed in some way, I treat it just like paint prep. Acetone dries too fast for me to really do a clean on that ~1600 sqft wall fast. Denatured alcohol works pretty well, sometimes diluted - it depends how fast you can work. I'll do 1600 sqft in about 30 minutes.

Adhesion in the grooves is likely going to be the issue. They may need pigmented shellac sprayed into them. I haven't tried the shellac replacements to say whether they would work or not, but shellac is the only thing I've ever tried that will stick to crayon wax.
there is no applied coating on the paneling.

The black edges in the grooves is already rough from the factory.

I really want to find a sheet good to cover this mess....
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If you are going to abate the asbestos why not gut the entire hallway? Skim coating just doesn't work somehow....If you can get paint to adhere maybe some rich color scheme with some simple trim features might work...What's underneath the paneling...a good substrate?....
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Floating paneling can on occasion turn into a nightmare. Like Irish said, I'd check what's under it or cover it like you mentioned. Or spruce it up with some fancy trim and get a great painter to glaze it or just repaint. Might also check with a decorator as to what is currently the "in" thing for an easy way out. Works for me.
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there is no applied coating on the paneling.

The black edges in the grooves is already rough from the factory.

I really want to find a sheet good to cover this mess....
1/8" hardboard is about the thinnest you can get that will hold up. You still have to deal with the seams - works well with a paneled look.

1/4" drywall, if the paneling is tight to the wall.
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Griz, aren't you getting a little old for this stuff? Seems to me like the older I get the more expensive I get. Seems the world is going the opposite direction and everyone wants the Amazon.com fix.

Anything worth doing is worth doing right...if it's been up there for 60 years and they want a new look...it's time to bring in the dumpster and the wrecking tools
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Griz, aren't you getting a little old for this stuff? Seems to me like the older I get the more expensive I get. Seems the world is going the opposite direction and everyone wants the Amazon.com fix.

Anything worth doing is worth doing right...if it's been up there for 60 years and they want a new look...it's time to bring in the dumpster and the wrecking tools
I'm still a kid at heart.....just dont know any better....

The project is for the school district. Also included in turning a mens and womens bath area into two unisex and 1 ADA compliant restroom.

This is also an abatement due to hot drywall, mud & floor.

They just want me to "fix it"....

I told them just guessing we are north of a 100 grand on costs....

There wasn't a scream but a audible gasp.....

They told me to keep going and to try and contain costs as much as possible.....

My ace in the hole is to get the women in the office involved.....

no one in their right phucking mind wants a bunch of chics pissed off that they have to work with everyday.....
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Anything worth doing is worth doing right...if it's been up there for 60 years and they want a new look...it's time to bring in the wallpaper
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