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Old 09-26-2012, 09:24 PM   #1
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Powder Actuated Pins In 4500 Psi Concrete


Does the yellow shot pins shoot through 4500 psi concrete, or is it going to be a problem? The concrete will be new.

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Re: Powder Actuated Pins In 4500 Psi Concrete


I've done some work on a commercial building that had much higher psi concrete than normal, it took 2 red loads to sink nails.

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I've done some work on a commercial building that had much higher psi concrete than normal, it took 2 red loads to sink nails.
Yea, I'm building a room addition and the concrete is 4500 psi, I was just wondering if that was going to be an issue when I shoot down my plate on the interior walls. I'm used to 2500 psi.
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Like Robert said, depending how old the concrete is, and sometimes it takes two shots to get a nail in.
If you nailing down the plates, I always use nails with washers, they have better holding capacity... and if you have to shoot it twice the the washer will stop nail head at the surface VS. using regular nails, and if you shoot twice, the pin sometimes drives the nail past the surface busting the wood and cracking concrete surface.
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Why not just use 1/4" ral pins?
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Why not just use 1/4" ral pins?
Ok you got me what are 1/4 inch ral pins?
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Ok you got me what are 1/4 inch ral pins?
I think what he meant to say is "Rawl", its a Spike anchor, which sometimes called Rawl pins. You have to pre-drill then drive them in. They come in "s" shape at the end to create an expansion mechanism... we mostly use them when tamper-proof installation is required, but they used for many other applications, because they come with different heads,i.e mushroom head,flat head,tie wire head,etc so you can use them for attaching sill plates, forms, drop ceiling track,etc.
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I have a 27 cal. gun but usually just hand drive the pins in, I have more control of the depth, fewer "blow outs" and they drive pretty easy.
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I think what he meant to say is "Rawl", its a Spike anchor, which sometimes called Rawl pins. You have to pre-drill then drive them in. They come in "s" shape at the end to create an expansion mechanism... we mostly use them when tamper-proof installation is required, but they used for many other applications, because they come with different heads,i.e mushroom head,flat head,tie wire head,etc so you can use them for attaching sill plates, forms, drop ceiling track,etc.
They sound a lot stronger, probably get them at White Cap?
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I have a 27 cal. gun but usually just hand drive the pins in, I have more control of the depth, fewer "blow outs" and they drive pretty easy.
If you can hit them in when the concrete is green that will work, but this 4500 psi chit might change that.
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I buy the red ones and just power it down with the little vent thing if they are sinking too deep.

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