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Old 07-07-2012, 05:41 AM   #1
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This last winter I started messing around with a program called Inventor. It is from the same company that puts out AutoCAD and Revit. I have always been fascinated by this program and it has some serious potential, but at the same time some serious lacking in certain areas that I need.

I was inspired by one person who has done exactly what I thought the program could do. He was a few years into it and really making some serious progress with it, so I figured, why not jump in? Of course he didn't tell me he scrapped the project

He said if I waited, there is something coming that is much better. An add on to the program or something...don't know, so I suspended what I was doing, but I thought that I was on the cusp of a breakthrough. I really had a thorough grasp of most of the program.

The issue I found was that it was incredibly clunky slow and not very fluid. Alot of "File, Insert, rotate, place, etc." but once done, it could really be manipulated and modified while updating everything throughout. Changes to the design is what kills anyone's time on design. This was supposed to ease it.

Granted there's programs out there that already have done this. CV, eCab, etc. but I am still tied to outside consultants who use autodesk products and it makes it easy for them as it makes it easy for me, so I'm a glutton for punishment on this stuff. I never take the easy way, but in the end, it makes it easy for me.

What I did was essentially programming the program. It is a mechanical engineering program. Some things I can program in is warnings on collisions in the models. A door opening into the dw for example, or drawer hitting the knob on the adjacent run. Plus it has cnc capabilities too. Long run, this is cheaper than CV. Course eCabs is free

So, after taking a chunk out of my life, I can get accurate, automatic cutlists with all pertinent information. I don't even have to press a button, it's already there. I just hit print.

Here's an example in PDF








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Old 07-07-2012, 05:13 PM   #2
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That's awesome.

Whenever I do anything I seek details.............and them's some details

Thanks Kent for living on the bleeding edge of CAD tech.
(I'm trying AC 2013 for mac - seems pretty sweet...for the next 20 days at least)

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This last winter I started messing around with a program called Inventor. It is from the same company that puts out AutoCAD and Revit. I have always been fascinated by this program and it has some serious potential, but at the same time some serious lacking in certain areas that I need.

I was inspired by one person who has done exactly what I thought the program could do. He was a few years into it and really making some serious progress with it, so I figured, why not jump in? Of course he didn't tell me he scrapped the project

He said if I waited, there is something coming that is much better. An add on to the program or something...don't know, so I suspended what I was doing, but I thought that I was on the cusp of a breakthrough. I really had a thorough grasp of most of the program.

The issue I found was that it was incredibly clunky slow and not very fluid. Alot of "File, Insert, rotate, place, etc." but once done, it could really be manipulated and modified while updating everything throughout. Changes to the design is what kills anyone's time on design. This was supposed to ease it.

Granted there's programs out there that already have done this. CV, eCab, etc. but I am still tied to outside consultants who use autodesk products and it makes it easy for them as it makes it easy for me, so I'm a glutton for punishment on this stuff. I never take the easy way, but in the end, it makes it easy for me.

What I did was essentially programming the program. It is a mechanical engineering program. Some things I can program in is warnings on collisions in the models. A door opening into the dw for example, or drawer hitting the knob on the adjacent run. Plus it has cnc capabilities too. Long run, this is cheaper than CV. Course eCabs is free

So, after taking a chunk out of my life, I can get accurate, automatic cutlists with all pertinent information. I don't even have to press a button, it's already there. I just hit print.

Here's an example in PDF








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Is this the guy? http://opendesignproject.org/
I have been following this as well really cool stuff.
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This last winter I started messing around with a program called Inventor. It is from the same company that puts out AutoCAD and Revit. I have always been fascinated by this program and it has some serious potential, but at the same time some serious lacking in certain areas that I need.

I was inspired by one person who has done exactly what I thought the program could do. He was a few years into it and really making some serious progress with it, so I figured, why not jump in? Of course he didn't tell me he scrapped the project

He said if I waited, there is something coming that is much better. An add on to the program or something...don't know, so I suspended what I was doing, but I thought that I was on the cusp of a breakthrough. I really had a thorough grasp of most of the program.

The issue I found was that it was incredibly clunky slow and not very fluid. Alot of "File, Insert, rotate, place, etc." but once done, it could really be manipulated and modified while updating everything throughout. Changes to the design is what kills anyone's time on design. This was supposed to ease it.

Granted there's programs out there that already have done this. CV, eCab, etc. but I am still tied to outside consultants who use autodesk products and it makes it easy for them as it makes it easy for me, so I'm a glutton for punishment on this stuff. I never take the easy way, but in the end, it makes it easy for me.

What I did was essentially programming the program. It is a mechanical engineering program. Some things I can program in is warnings on collisions in the models. A door opening into the dw for example, or drawer hitting the knob on the adjacent run. Plus it has cnc capabilities too. Long run, this is cheaper than CV. Course eCabs is free

So, after taking a chunk out of my life, I can get accurate, automatic cutlists with all pertinent information. I don't even have to press a button, it's already there. I just hit print.

Here's an example in PDF








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mm and inches in the same document... interesting...
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Can you combine the data from different entities and then filter the "batch" data?

In other words can you combine cutlists from different cabinets and then sort the info into say a face frame cutlist for all the cabinets?
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Is this the guy? http://opendesignproject.org/
I have been following this as well really cool stuff.
Yep, that's the guy. I've talked with him quite a bit through email and he finally said "I don't have enough time to answer everyone's emails"
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Can you combine the data from different entities and then filter the "batch" data?

In other words can you combine cutlists from different cabinets and then sort the info into say a face frame cutlist for all the cabinets?
Yes, you can. It is a manual click or two and it is done.
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Can you combine the data from different entities and then filter the "batch" data?

In other words can you combine cutlists from different cabinets and then sort the info into say a face frame cutlist for all the cabinets?
To make things probably confusing, Inventor has a few different screen configurations. The easiest one is a "part", which is what I have listed above in the pdf. The actual cabinet is "built" in a part file.

Once you have all of your cabinets built, you bring them all into an assembly file. This is where you can filter out anything you like. You can combine all of the FF pieces into one cutlist, and separately all of your sheet goods. At this stage I found it really clunky and slow. It can give you some seriously customized items, but it comes at a cost, which is your time....it bummed me out after all of the time I put into it.

One thing I like about a product like Inventor is that you can customize the crap out of things. It was originally intended for mechanical design. I can make cabinets, or machinery, or an Android phone. The breadth of what it can do is endless.

One thing I don't like is that it can be too manual, too cumbersome. Every release seems to be getting better and better though. I can take my files that I have customized with materials already applied and import them into a rendering program and presto, instant render.

This is a very crude example of a cabinet brought into a new(ish) Autodesk program called Showcase. It is a processor based program, so the computer really locks down. You need some serious hardware.

Let me know if you can't see the pic. It's in a limited viewing area on my photo site

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mm and inches in the same document... interesting...
That is just particularly the thickness of the sheet goods. It is programmed in that way. I can make it inches if I wanted, but when I order sheet goods, I order 12mm A1 Cherry ....or whatever. The ability to do that though is pretty awesome IMO.
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Kent,
Have you tried exporting the inventor files (SAT) into Revit?
If so how well does it work?
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