Insulation For Cold Storage - Insulation - Contractor Talk

Insulation For Cold Storage

 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 02-28-2017, 09:13 PM   #1
Pro
 
mrcat's Avatar
 
Trade: Pole Barns, Residential Framing
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Fingerlakes NY
Posts: 727
Rewards Points: 586

Insulation For Cold Storage


I'm bidding on a project to turn a pole building into apple storage, with a cold room in one end, and a conditioned clean room in the other end, with storage in between.
Planning on 2'' of spray foam on walls of storage and clean room, not sure how much foam I should have for the cold room. It will be just refrigerated, not a freezer.
Also planning on blown in cellulose in the ceilings, should I go thicker over the cold room?
Attached is a layout/description of the building.

Thanks in advance. Paul

Insulation for cold storage-layout-spec.png
mrcat is offline  

Warning: The topics covered on this site include activities in which there exists the potential for serious injury or death. ContractorTalk.com DOES NOT guarantee the accuracy or completeness of any information contained on this site. Always use proper safety precaution and reference reliable outside sources before attempting any construction or remodeling task!

   

Advertisement

 

Old 02-28-2017, 09:22 PM   #2
Fire up the BBQ
 
griz's Avatar
 
Trade: GC
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: CA
Posts: 21,756
Rewards Points: 2,346

Re: Insulation For Cold Storage


this is what mechanical engineers do.

at the very least talk with your mechanical contractor.

many variables to consider.

Advertisement

__________________
SOME JOBS JUST AREN'T WORTH DOING:
griz is online now  
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to griz For This Useful Post:
Bull Trout (03-01-2017), Calidecks (02-28-2017), mrcat (03-01-2017), Rio (03-02-2017)
Old 03-01-2017, 03:56 AM   #3
Sean
 
SLSTech's Avatar
 
Trade: Principal / Owner
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Naperville, IL
Posts: 5,400
Rewards Points: 110

Re: Insulation For Cold Storage


I think you fall under the 2015 IECC which has an entire section devoted to just this subject - as I recall you are at R30 at a minimum
I would also rethink that cellulose directly over it due to potential of condensation issues (assuming it is even allowed)
__________________
SLS Construction & Building Solutions LLC Our Blog - The HTRC
SLSTech is offline  
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to SLSTech For This Useful Post:
hdavis (03-01-2017), mrcat (03-01-2017), Rio (03-02-2017)
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 03-01-2017, 09:17 AM   #4
Pro
 
hdavis's Avatar
 
Trade: remodeling
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: CoastalME
Posts: 23,432
Rewards Points: 3,090

Re: Insulation For Cold Storage


Don't forget insulating the floor, for much of the year in your location it will be one of the biggest heat sources around.
hdavis is online now  
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to hdavis For This Useful Post:
mrcat (03-01-2017), SLSTech (03-02-2017)
Old 03-01-2017, 08:48 PM   #5
Pro
 
mrcat's Avatar
 
Trade: Pole Barns, Residential Framing
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Fingerlakes NY
Posts: 727
Rewards Points: 586

Re: Insulation For Cold Storage


Quote:
Originally Posted by SLSTech View Post
I think you fall under the 2015 IECC which has an entire section devoted to just this subject - as I recall you are at R30 at a minimum
I would also rethink that cellulose directly over it due to potential of condensation issues (assuming it is even allowed)
So after some light reading while I ate breakfast this morning, it looks like R25 is minimum for walk in coolers, and R32 for walk in freezers. Freezers also require R25 under the floor, but I couldn't find any mention of floor insulation for coolers.

We were planning on 2'' of EPS under the whole floor of the building anyway.

I'm getting a quote from a company that will make a panelized cooler in whatever dimensions I need, so will be comparing that vs spraying the whole thing with 4'' of 2lb foam, plus framing and wall covering etc.

Last edited by mrcat; 03-01-2017 at 08:52 PM.
mrcat is offline  
Old 03-01-2017, 08:49 PM   #6
Pro
 
mrcat's Avatar
 
Trade: Pole Barns, Residential Framing
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Fingerlakes NY
Posts: 727
Rewards Points: 586

Re: Insulation For Cold Storage


Quote:
Originally Posted by griz View Post
this is what mechanical engineers do.

at the very least talk with your mechanical contractor.

many variables to consider.
Thanks Griz, once I started researching more on the topic this afternoon, I realized just that
mrcat is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to mrcat For This Useful Post:
griz (03-01-2017)
Old 03-02-2017, 10:36 AM   #7
Pro
 
hdavis's Avatar
 
Trade: remodeling
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: CoastalME
Posts: 23,432
Rewards Points: 3,090

Re: Insulation For Cold Storage


At least in Maine, the HVAC has to be designed by an engineer, so start talking with them now, and they can tell you a rough sweet spot for trading off building insulatin cost vs cooling costs and operating cost. Some states also have credits available for energy efficient installations. LED lighting is the standard now for inside coolers - you save the wattage on the lights, and save more wattage on the cooler system.

Last I checked, panelized systems were significantly more expensive than sprayed.
hdavis is online now  
Old 03-02-2017, 12:00 PM   #8
Pro
 
mrcat's Avatar
 
Trade: Pole Barns, Residential Framing
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Fingerlakes NY
Posts: 727
Rewards Points: 586

Re: Insulation For Cold Storage


Thanks, I just got the quote back for the panelized system. A shizzy over $35,000, and we put it together thats without any refridgeration equip.


Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk

Advertisement

mrcat is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to mrcat For This Useful Post:
hdavis (03-02-2017)


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Opinion on adding foam board insulation on the interior over existing drywall. CaptainRon Remodeling 30 01-14-2015 09:44 PM
farm barn with attched storage area kathi General Discussion 1 01-17-2012 08:26 PM
complex sound insulation -duplex on incline desertsound General Discussion 4 12-03-2010 01:04 AM
Insulation Blower? MEL Insulation 7 11-25-2009 12:07 AM
Radiant Barrier Fact Sheet Ed the Roofer Roofing 0 02-09-2008 08:57 PM

Join Now... It's Fast and FREE!

I am a professional contractor
I am a DIY Homeowner
Drywall Talk is for
PROFESSIONAL CONTRACTORS ONLY!

At DrywallTalk.com we cater exlusivly to professional contractors who make their living as a contractor. Knowing that many homeowners and DIYers are looking for a community to call home, we've created www.DIYChatroom.com DIY Chatroom is full of helpful advices and perfect for DIY homeowners.

Redirecing in 10 seconds
No Thanks
terms of service

Already Have an Account?