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Old 05-17-2019, 06:46 PM   #1
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How would you rate the "Ben" line (from Benjamin Moore)?

I thought it was thin and awful. Thank goodness I was just putting a fresh coat (eggshell) over the same color.
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Old 05-17-2019, 07:02 PM   #2
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It's changed over the years... the current incarnation, not a fan...

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Sorry MarkJames - misread your OP. Not familiar with "Ben per se" but on some other Ben Moore (already had posted);

I question whether the lines retailed through hardware outlets are the same as dealers.

My B.M dealer is excellent with color, I can give him that (one man low volume shop) Some other, more local retailers have shuttered.

Once in a while I used to use Aquavelvet which I liked before it became Regal.

Satin Impervo has always been a standout for doors/ trim (oil) although in the twenty five years or so since I've dipped into it, I'm sure its been redone like the others...

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I'm fine with the color, not so much the stuff dripping off my brush while cutting in. Too watery for my taste.
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I'm fine with the color, not so much the stuff dripping off my brush while cutting in. Too watery for my taste.
They used to be one of the thicker ones...
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I'm fine with the color, not so much the stuff dripping off my brush while cutting in. Too watery for my taste.
I've noticed this watering down in a number of paints.

Apparently the makers seem to think they can increase revenue simply by cranking up the water spigots.
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I think it also changes the VOC percentages. If there is more water and less "paint", it automatically lowers the VOC content.

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Ben was my friend. He never did nobody any harm. Only you can prevent forest fires.
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Ben was my friend. He never did nobody any harm. Only you can prevent forest fires.
Good one for a Saturday morning. So...got an opinion on the paint itself?
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I’ve used it before but still don't really understand why it’s there. I’m using Scuff-X on trim and Regal Select on walls. If I need a cheaper paint I can get Ultraspec for at least $10/gal less than Ben and Ben doesn’t seem to do anything Ultraspec can’t.
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I've almost never used Ben. As others have said. Ultra Spec for budget jobs where coverage isn't an issue, Regal for the rest. I never took to Aura because it was too thick and dried to fast but the formula has probably changed since then. Advance is a good line for some applications.

Thin paint isn't necessarily cheaper. Whiting is a cheap thickener that some brands use to thicken paint without really adding any better hide. Pratt and Lambert was my favorite brand for years until they started making pudding instead of paint. I want it just thick enough the it doesn't spatter but thin enough that it doesn't leave a lot of brush marks or stipple behind.
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Re: Your Take On "Ben"


Agreeing with the others.

In a world with SuperHide, UltraSpec, and Regal, there is no room in my life for Ben. My needs are already met. I like the finish of Advance and I keep trying to work it into stuff, but the dry time makes it basically useless for most paint jobs. It looks awesome, but not awesome enough for me to wait a whole day to recoat.
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Agreeing with the others.

In a world with SuperHide, UltraSpec, and Regal, there is no room in my life for Ben. My needs are already met. I like the finish of Advance and I keep trying to work it into stuff, but the dry time makes it basically useless for most paint jobs. It looks awesome, but not awesome enough for me to wait a whole day to recoat.
Tell me about superhide and ultraspec (along with the price points).
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I think SuperHide is great. It works really well, covers really well, and is really cheap. It's about $20 less a gallon than Regal. I really don't see that much of a discernible difference between the two in terms of finish quality. You maybe have to pay attention a bit more with the SuperHide to make sure it's covered, especially on cutting, but if you've got eyeballs you can figure out what you need to hit harder on the second pass.
I use SuperHide at my place all the time.
UltraSpec is what you'd use to do large scale stuff that isn't going in a magazine. It's fine paint if you're painting a warehouse or whatever. I wouldn't use it in a high end home. You'd have to make too many passes to ensure total coverage. I don't know how well it holds up long term because I rarely use it, if ever.

Paint a warehouse with UltraSpec.
Paint a rental with SuperHide.
Paint the good house with Regal.
Paint a mansion with Aura(because they'll want to know they spent a lot).
Paint the concerned citizen's home with Natura. It's really not that bad!
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Tell me about superhide and ultraspec (along with the price points).
I pay $30 for Ultraspec, which I think is too much. Superhide is about $19. Aura is $55 or $57. Canít remember exactly. Scuff-X was $40 but they recently upped it to $50. I think itís getting popular so, like a crack dealer, they decided to start screwing people who they got hooked on it. Dries really fast, itís spray paint for dummies. Never seen anything like it.
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Tell me more about Scuff X. Where are you using it? Product description sounds like you're using it in apartment building hallways almost like a vinyl wallpaper substitute.
You ever bring it into residential? Long hallway in a raised ranch?
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Tell me more about Scuff X. Where are you using it? Product description sounds like you're using it in apartment building hallways almost like a vinyl wallpaper substitute.
You ever bring it into residential? Long hallway in a raised ranch?
I’m using it as my main trim paint now but my local Ben dealer says it’s good for everything. There’s some talk about how hospitals paint their halls every few months but switching to Scuff-X has made it so they get over twice the time between repaints. I guess the issue is gurneys banging the wall.


Dealer said all his big paint firms are switching from Advance to Scuff for residential trim.
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In my house I have Ultraspec, Ben, Regal Select, Aura and PPG Breakthrough. I'm going to start repainting my first floor trim with Scuff-X now. While I love Breakthrough, it's kind of a pain because I have to drive to the PPG store to get it (which is out of my way) and it's a completely different color fan than BM. This is why I tried Scuff-X which I am very happy with.

Breakthrough vs Scuff-X so far. BT dries much faster and has better block resistance. Scuff-X sands to a powder and feels/looks more like a WB Lacquer finish. Block resistance of the satin is ok but not as good as BT. I hear the semi gloss has much better block Resistance than the satin.

I'm going to be trying Scuff-x on a stairwell and hallway soon in the matte finish. Normally I would use Regal select for this. I hear the scuff-X has a higher sheen in matte than select which would make me shy away from it because I usually want as low a sheen as possible. In this case, I skim coated the walls so the higher sheen and light washing won't be an issue. If the Scuff-x matte ends up looking ok, I may transition to it for walls and trim/doors as It costs me less per gallon than select.
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Dealer said all his big paint firms are switching from Advance to Scuff for residential trim.
I despise Advance. Some guys can get great results with it, but I hate it. That said, I still think Advance reaches a harder final finish after it cures sometime months after its applied. Initial hardness with Scuff-X is impressive, though.

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