What Makes Paint Do This? - Painting & Finish Work - Contractor Talk

What Makes Paint Do This?

 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 09-21-2016, 09:26 AM   #1
Registered User
 
steveo1018's Avatar
 
Trade: Remodeling
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 18
Rewards Points: 42

What Makes Paint Do This?


Hey name is Steve I'm new here and I've been having this issue for a year only on some jobs, any of you pros out there know what makes it do this? Its only on doors and trim

Sent from my LGLS990 using Tapatalk
steveo1018 is offline  

Warning: The topics covered on this site include activities in which there exists the potential for serious injury or death. ContractorTalk.com DOES NOT guarantee the accuracy or completeness of any information contained on this site. Always use proper safety precaution and reference reliable outside sources before attempting any construction or remodeling task!

   

Advertisement

 

Old 09-21-2016, 11:18 AM   #2
Thread Reading Aficionado
 
Builders Inc.'s Avatar
 
Trade: Certified Building Contractor
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Florida
Posts: 1,801
Rewards Points: 1,458

Re: What Makes Paint Do This?


Latex over oil based paint?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Advertisement

Builders Inc. is offline  
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Builders Inc. For This Useful Post:
Big Shoe (09-22-2016), Railman (09-21-2016), SmallTownGuy (09-21-2016)
Old 09-21-2016, 12:28 PM   #3
Registered User
 
steveo1018's Avatar
 
Trade: Remodeling
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 18
Rewards Points: 42

Re: What Makes Paint Do This?


Quote:
Originally Posted by Builders Inc. View Post
Latex over oil based paint?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
That was what I was thinking, I'm debating on maybe the next job to prime it quickly with kilz or just try an oil based paint. Good idea?

Sent from my LGLS990 using Tapatalk
steveo1018 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 09-21-2016, 01:03 PM   #4
Pro
 
madmax718's Avatar
 
Trade: General
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 1,802
Rewards Points: 3,276

Re: What Makes Paint Do This?


Try wiping down the surface before paint. Could be dust.
madmax718 is offline  
Old 09-21-2016, 01:34 PM   #5
Pro
 
TimberlineMD's Avatar
 
Trade: Remodeling Contractor
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Arizona
Posts: 440
Rewards Points: 738

Re: What Makes Paint Do This?


Give the woodwork a TSP/alcohol rub before paint.
__________________
It's easy to have a business that is busy.. it's harder to have a business that makes a profit
TimberlineMD is offline  
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to TimberlineMD For This Useful Post:
hdavis (09-22-2016), robert c1 (09-25-2016), sunkist (09-21-2016)
Old 09-21-2016, 01:47 PM   #6
Talking Head
 
EthanB's Avatar
 
Trade: Poking Things With Sticks
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Rhode Island
Posts: 5,388
Rewards Points: 438

Re: What Makes Paint Do This?


Something is inhibiting the bond. Common culprits that I would look for are silicone spray near stone counters, furniture polish w/ wax in it, grease, etc.

Wipe thoroughly with alcohol and then test it again after it dries.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaws View Post
Planer.....
EthanB is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to EthanB For This Useful Post:
sunkist (09-21-2016)
Old 09-21-2016, 02:17 PM   #7
Thread Reading Aficionado
 
Builders Inc.'s Avatar
 
Trade: Certified Building Contractor
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Florida
Posts: 1,801
Rewards Points: 1,458

Re: What Makes Paint Do This?


Yes trisodiumphosphate I think that's how you spell it. TSP. Clean it with that. And make sure there's no silicone caulk that was used by a hack trim carpenter. Paint will not bond to silicone caulk like Ethan said


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Builders Inc. is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to Builders Inc. For This Useful Post:
sunkist (09-21-2016)
Old 09-21-2016, 03:01 PM   #8
Pro
 
Caslon's Avatar
 
Trade: State Licensed Painting Contractor
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: So. California
Posts: 1,175
Rewards Points: 1,366

Re: What Makes Paint Do This?


Quote:
Originally Posted by EthanB View Post
Something is inhibiting the bond. Common culprits that I would look for are silicone spray near stone counters, furniture polish w/ wax in it, grease, etc.

Wipe thoroughly with alcohol and then test it again after it dries.
I've had this happen around bathrooms. I believe it'a due to a build up of air freshener sprays people use in bathrooms which leaves a film on the trim.
Caslon is offline  
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Caslon For This Useful Post:
hdavis (09-22-2016), SmallTownGuy (09-21-2016), VinylHanger (09-21-2016)
Old 09-21-2016, 05:33 PM   #9
Member
 
PRP's Avatar
 
Trade: Painting Contractor
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 40
Rewards Points: 132

Re: What Makes Paint Do This?


Trim only, I'd bet on Pledge or Murphys oil soap or another cleaning product was used to on it. Wipe with denatured alcohol.

Last edited by PRP; 09-21-2016 at 05:37 PM.
PRP is offline  
Old 09-21-2016, 05:49 PM   #10
Pro
 
sunkist's Avatar
 
Trade: builder fl cbc
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: bradenton fl
Posts: 3,069
Rewards Points: 890

Re: What Makes Paint Do This?


T.s.b rules
sunkist is offline  
Old 09-21-2016, 05:55 PM   #11
John the Builder
 
SmallTownGuy's Avatar
 
Trade: Carpenter/Builder Professional Painter
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Oxford, MI
Posts: 16,993
Rewards Points: 6,114

Re: What Makes Paint Do This?


Quote:
Originally Posted by Caslon View Post
I've had this happen around bathrooms. I believe it'a due to a build up of air freshener sprays people use in bathrooms which leaves a film on the trim.
Had it happen recently on a bathroom wall - just blamed it on aerosol hairspray or deodorant because it was just at shoulder height.
__________________
All my Life loving Hippie friends turned into soul-sucking Conservatives - or died. Same difference.
"Mornin' ladies, my goodness don't you look happy. Must be cuttin' somebody up pretty good." - Andy Griffiths
SmallTownGuy is offline  
Old 09-21-2016, 06:00 PM   #12
Registered User
 
steveo1018's Avatar
 
Trade: Remodeling
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 18
Rewards Points: 42

Re: What Makes Paint Do This?


Thanks guys, I will have to give all of these a try on the next job. just an FYI I have been switching between the behr alklyd paint and Sherwin Williams pro classic and both have reacted the same way. Any ideas on a better paint?

Sent from my LGLS990 using Tapatalk
steveo1018 is offline  
Old 09-21-2016, 06:09 PM   #13
Pro
 
Railman's Avatar
 
Trade: Railing
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Cincinnati
Posts: 2,505
Rewards Points: 1,161

Re: What Makes Paint Do This?


TSP is the all time go to std for cleaning all sorts of crap. It will also slightly etch the finish to create a better bond. I'd clean it, & then rub it down with a medium Scotch pad for a better mechanical bond.
Railman is online now  
Old 09-21-2016, 06:38 PM   #14
Member
 
PRP's Avatar
 
Trade: Painting Contractor
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 40
Rewards Points: 132

Re: What Makes Paint Do This?


If you go with tsp make sure you rinse it after, it will leave a residue. Dirtex is a great no rinse cleaner.
PRP is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to PRP For This Useful Post:
EthanB (09-21-2016)
Old 09-21-2016, 06:48 PM   #15
Pro
 
dsconstructs's Avatar
 
Trade: Remodel Contractor
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Solano County, California
Posts: 1,190
Rewards Points: 870

Re: What Makes Paint Do This?


Just doors and trim, odds are oil based paint. Used to use a product called Liquid Sandpaper that took care of that problem quick and easy.

Around bathrooms.....I usually blame hairspray...lacquer.
dsconstructs is online now  
The Following User Says Thank You to dsconstructs For This Useful Post:
SmallTownGuy (09-21-2016)
Old 09-21-2016, 07:11 PM   #16
Registered User
 
steveo1018's Avatar
 
Trade: Remodeling
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 18
Rewards Points: 42

Re: What Makes Paint Do This?


Quote:
Originally Posted by dsconstructs View Post
Just doors and trim, odds are oil based paint. Used to use a product called Liquid Sandpaper that took care of that problem quick and easy.

Around bathrooms.....I usually blame hairspray...lacquer.
Do you know where I can get or if they still make this liquid sandpaper?

Sent from my LGLS990 using Tapatalk
steveo1018 is offline  
Old 09-21-2016, 07:18 PM   #17
Pro
 
avenge's Avatar
 
Trade: Remodeling
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Not here
Posts: 3,209
Rewards Points: 298

Re: What Makes Paint Do This?


Quote:
Originally Posted by steveo1018 View Post
Do you know where I can get or if they still make this liquid sandpaper?

Sent from my LGLS990 using Tapatalk
Anyone paint store or big box store should carry it or something similar, it'a liquid deglosser.
avenge is online now  
Old 09-21-2016, 07:19 PM   #18
John the Builder
 
SmallTownGuy's Avatar
 
Trade: Carpenter/Builder Professional Painter
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Oxford, MI
Posts: 16,993
Rewards Points: 6,114

Re: What Makes Paint Do This?


Quote:
Originally Posted by steveo1018 View Post
Do you know where I can get or if they still make this liquid sandpaper?

Sent from my LGLS990 using Tapatalk
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Klean-Str...N285/100112667

Krud Kutter too...

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Krud-Kutt...O326/203396842
__________________
All my Life loving Hippie friends turned into soul-sucking Conservatives - or died. Same difference.
"Mornin' ladies, my goodness don't you look happy. Must be cuttin' somebody up pretty good." - Andy Griffiths
SmallTownGuy is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to SmallTownGuy For This Useful Post:
dsconstructs (09-21-2016)
Old 09-21-2016, 08:01 PM   #19
Pro
 
Caslon's Avatar
 
Trade: State Licensed Painting Contractor
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: So. California
Posts: 1,175
Rewards Points: 1,366

Re: What Makes Paint Do This?


I'd done a good job of scruffing up the trim before priming with a high quality latex primer, which should have been fine. Only...that light sanding didn't remove the film of whatever (hairspray, aerosol room fresheners). I'd rolled out the entire door ready to brush it out when the paint film started receding. I had to quickly grab a bunch of rags to remove the wet primer before it started to set up. Afterwards, I wiped down the door with lacquer thinner (about the same as Liquid Sandpaper) to remove all that junk buildup that sanding didn't. The primer went on fine afterwards.

P.S. This wouldn't have been an issue if I'd used a solvent based primer, but I prefer to save my brain cells by using a quality latex product whenever I can.
Caslon is offline  
Old 09-21-2016, 09:57 PM   #20
Pro
 
rselectric1's Avatar
 
Trade: Licensed Electrical Contractor and Remodeler
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Chicago Suburbs
Posts: 11,897
Rewards Points: 946

Re: What Makes Paint Do This?


Please do an intro in the introduction section.

Are you a professional contractor or is this for your own home?

Advertisement

__________________
220...221...whatever it takes!
rselectric1 is offline  


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Paint or stain on hardi plank? Jer Painting & Finish Work 28 02-17-2017 08:29 PM
Porch and Floor paint on trim and doors and cabinets ? Preventec47 Painting & Finish Work 15 08-02-2015 10:20 PM
paint flaking from the ceiling...cause/solution?? lornmastro Painting & Finish Work 27 02-26-2012 11:01 PM
Best Paint for a Historic Home fatal_degree Painting & Finish Work 15 04-23-2010 08:09 AM

Join Now... It's Fast and FREE!

I am a professional contractor
I am a DIY Homeowner
Drywall Talk is for
PROFESSIONAL CONTRACTORS ONLY!

At DrywallTalk.com we cater exlusivly to professional contractors who make their living as a contractor. Knowing that many homeowners and DIYers are looking for a community to call home, we've created www.DIYChatroom.com DIY Chatroom is full of helpful advices and perfect for DIY homeowners.

Redirecing in 10 seconds
No Thanks
terms of service

Already Have an Account?