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Old 05-29-2019, 11:50 AM   #1
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What Finishes For Spraying Cabinets?


I'm trying to up my finishing game on cabinets, trim and built-ins. Preferably, I want something that is durable, great finish and low odor. Easy to spray would be an added bonus. What are the products and you use for finishing? If you use different ones, when do you decide on one versus the other?

I have used a variety of products over the years. Most recently, Sherwin Williams Pro Classic (brush/roller) for some built in shelves and trim. I really like how it levels out and might consider spraying it at some point. I'm not sure about the long term durability of the Pro Classic versus other finishes. I also just sprayed a bathroom vanity with Sherwin Williams Sher-Wood pre-cat laquer. I loved spraying the stuff and the finish, but did not like the fumes (fortunately it was not sprayed at a clients house).

In terms of equipment, I have a variety of compressor driven HVLP guns, a Titan 440ix airless, and an old 2-stage Campbell Hausfeld turbine. I'm considering upgrading the turbine to a 4 or 5 stage (thinking Fuji Q4 or Q5) for use onsite. I don't think Air Assisted Airless is right for me as my cabinet projects are less frequent and smaller scale. Recommendations on the HVLP turbine?
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All the stuff I use stinks to high hell. Need a booth and somewhat special equipment.

You'll be looking for a waterborne finish, I don't use them so I can't really give much advice on the products.

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Check out Target Coatings, based out of NJ--owner/chemist Jeff Weiss knows his products, because he developed them.
Have distributors all over the states.
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I would suggest SW Emerald Urethane. Better than Proclassic in my opinion.
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Sherwin Williams Kem Aqua is what we use. It is a waterbourne and you can spray it without a proper booth. I do have a makeshift setup in the shop which does more than nothing but certainly not a legit booth.
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I have looked at Target coatings in the past. Unfortunately, I don't think there is a distributor near me so I would have to order direct. Not that I'm opposed to shipping, but something local would be much easier.


Curious on what makes the Emerald Urethane better than the ProClassic?


I have seen the Kem Aqua mentioned previously. So this is basically a water-borne version of their pre-cat laquer?


It's been awhile since I have really looked into paint/coating technology. Is there a good resource to get up to speed on the different products / technologies offered?
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SW lines I use;

I've sprayed with HVLP turbine, airless, 395 AAA, 15:1 Merkur

Kem Aqua Plus (cabinet finish)

Hydro Plus, can be catalyzed (cabinet finish)

Pro Classic, longer coalesce time (just oaky for cabinets)

Emerald Urethane

Pre-cat waterborne epoxy

BM;

Advance, very long coalesce time (good for trim, avoid on cabinets)

Avoid PPG Breakthrough.

Target and General Finish are good, I do not like M.L. Campbell waterborne.

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I have looked at Target coatings in the past. Unfortunately, I don't think there is a distributor near me so I would have to order direct. Not that I'm opposed to shipping, but something local would be much easier.


Curious on what makes the Emerald Urethane better than the ProClassic?


I have seen the Kem Aqua mentioned previously. So this is basically a water-borne version of their pre-cat laquer?


It's been awhile since I have really looked into paint/coating technology. Is there a good resource to get up to speed on the different products / technologies offered?
Emerald coalesces faster and harder. It probably won't spray through an HVLP.

Yes.

I'll use Hydro Plus if I need to catalyze the product to make it harder. Also waterborne.

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SW lines I use;

I've sprayed with HVLP turbine, airless, 395 AAA, 15:1 Merkur

Kem Aqua Plus (cabinet finish)

Hydro Plus, can be catalyzed (cabinet finish)

Pro Classic, longer coalesce time (just oaky for cabinets)

Emerald Urethane

Pre-cat waterborne epoxy

BM;

Advance, very long coalesce time (good for trim, avoid on cabinets)

Avoid PPG Breakthrough.

Target and General Finish are good, I do not like M.L. Campbell waterborne.

Tom
I assume you are buying the SW products through their industrial division? My local store doesn't really have a clue unless it goes on drywall. How's the lead time on the waterborne color match? If I recall, the pre cat lacquer took almost a week to mix.
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I assume you are buying the SW products through their industrial division? My local store doesn't really have a clue unless it goes on drywall. How's the lead time on the waterborne color match? If I recall, the pre cat lacquer took almost a week to mix.
Products Finish store.

https://www.sherwin-williams.com/sto..._local_listing

Use KA+.

Your local store can't blend it properly, they don't have the necessary binders.

A week is normal. I've got them down to 3 days (long story).

FYI, the store may give you a hard time. For some reason it's the nature of the beast.

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Products Finish store.

https://www.sherwin-williams.com/sto..._local_listing

Use KA+.

Your local store can't blend it properly, they don't have the necessary binders.

A week is normal. I've got them down to 3 days (long story).

FYI, the store may give you a hard time. For some reason it's the nature of the beast.

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Thanks. What are you using for primer? Do you apply a clear over the KA+ color coat?
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Thanks. What are you using for primer? Do you apply a clear over the KA+ color coat?
E64W520 Surfacer or E64W522 Gen II primer for pigmented.

T65F550 Sealer under clear topcoats.

Sometimes, depends on the application of the items being sprayed.

Do not in any way mix Kem Aqua and Kem Aqua Plus. They do not play well with each other.

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I do a handfull of kitchens a year with Emerald Urethane. Good results and does dry fast. Sheen is on the flat side. We use semi gloss for a satin look.
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Avoid PPG Breakthrough.
Unless it's the 250 VOC. The 50 VOC is still a killer trim and door paint, though.
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Curious on what makes the Emerald Urethane better than the ProClassic?
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The Proclassic has a tendency to want to drip and run after you have finished brushing it out, Emerald Urethane not so much, spraying can have the same issues.

Proclassic sometime requires a third coat due to drying a bit streaky, Emerald has a richer finish.
Is it worth the extra cost ..........depends what you are covering I think, but the fact it requires less babysitting I a big plus.
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I also agree the semi gloss Emerlad Urethane dries to more of a satin finish.
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You're quite right on the Pro Classic having a tendency to run or drip. I'll have to take a look at the Emerald Urethane next time for trim.
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We also use SW Emerald Urethane. It's definitely worth every penny. Mostly because you don't need three coats to make it look fantastic.
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I've sprayed emerald Urethane out of an hvlp, graco 9.5/ Plus gun, and was very happy with the results. I'll be doing it again in a week or so.

Price wise, emerald Urethane is only a couple bucks more per gallon than pro classic alkyd.

I had issues spraying PC alkyd, but I was also learning how to spray at the same time. When I have some time I might revisit it. I was not a fan of how long it took to dry/ harden (Tom did warn me about that though)

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That's why I spray conversion varnish. But it's not something you'd want to spray in a home. Which I've done.

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