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Old 10-14-2019, 01:23 PM   #1
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Stain Over Stain? - Cedar Lap Siding.


My personal house has rough sawn western red cedar lap siding. Originally finished 18 years ago with Sherwin Williams solid color Woodscapes House Stain.

Needless to say, I have high praise for the product and will likely use it again. My question is, now that it is time to re "paint" the house, is that the best product?

Maybe I am over thinking this, but a stain is a penetrating product to a large degree, and the wood is already "penetrated" so to speak. So, will the stain function properly?

Due to the very rough surface of the wood, prep will just be a pressure wash.

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Solid stains don't penetrate.

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Can you try whatever you are thinking of using, on and inconspicuous spot first?
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Just stain it again with the same thing .

Of course, it has to be clean and free of mold and mildew.
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Can you try whatever you are thinking of using, on and inconspicuous spot first?
For what? After 18 years that cedar is probably dry as a bone, powerwash and stain 2 coats.
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Solid stains don't penetrate.
I have heard that, but...

Per the can...

"Long Lasting Penetrating Formula"


I have much more experience staining woodworking projects, not houses. And I know that once the top coat is on, a stain is not really an option after that.



Thanks for the input.
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I have heard that, but...

Per the can...

"Long Lasting Penetrating Formula"


I have much more experience staining woodworking projects, not houses. And I know that once the top coat is on, a stain is not really an option after that.



Thanks for the input.
Solid stain isn't much different than paint, how else would you apply 2 coats? If you read the specs 2 coats are recommended. You're not staining over a top coat. You can apply solid stain over a primer.
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Solid color stain is a paint formulated to weather away. The specific SW product doesn't penetrate for Jack, so they advise using their troubleshooting oil based primer last time I looked. Landscapes on weathered wood has inadequate adhesion.

Power wash it and 2 coats, just like painting a house.
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BTW, SW Woodscapes semitransoarent stain has better adhesion, so that's what I use as a primer these days. Put it on in the fall, 2 coats solid color stain or paint in the spring
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If you were planning to use the solid Woodscapes then i would lean towards using flat Resilience instead. My reasoning is that it will have better color retention than the Woodscapes.
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If the colors are similar and you don't want or need two coats, I'd go with a high quality solid colored stain. If using a semi-transparent stain, it might not give an even consistent look if some areas are more weather worn than others. I'm not talking about peeling, it's just that the new semi-transparent stain won't sit on top of the weathered paint film as much those areas that are in un-weathered good condition. Same happens when you cover over unevenly weathered surfaces with an enamel. The sheen will look uneven in places (when viewed at an angle to light) because it soaks in more at the weathered areas as opposed to areas that are still in less weathered condition.

Save yourself some money, too. If you're going over the same dark color in sound condition, you'll most likely be needing to re-paint down the road due to the color fading, not due to paint film breaking down.Therefore, no need to waste money double coating it. Heh, that won't keep "Deep Blue", or "Charcoal Grey", or "Jasmine Yellow" from fading out.

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I think I come across this contradiction of "penetrating" vs. solid color with an older stain they carried (20 yrs)

May want to recheck that new label as it could have been reformulated.

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