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Old 12-14-2010, 07:14 PM   #1
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So long story short, my boss and I were debating whether or not it's okay to roll paint before cutting in. I said it makes no difference and claimed that you can roll first and then do your edgework. He says that some people claim that it's better to do your brushwork first and that I had to. I want to hear what you guys think.

Is either better or is it all the same?

By the way, "This is how it's been done for years" is not a reason
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Old 12-14-2010, 07:31 PM   #2
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I've done both, but He Who Signs the Checks is always right.

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Brush first, that's how I've done it for years. Seriously, I've always felt that it's better to brush, then roll, in order to leave stipple on as much of the wall as possible. While this may not have much of an impact with flat paints, I think it becomes more important with products with higher sheen.

We also make it a point to coordinate cutting with rolling, so we maintain a wet edge.
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Brush first, that's how I've done it for years. Seriously, I've always felt that it's better to brush, then roll, in order to leave stipple on as much of the wall as possible. While this may not have much of an impact with flat paints, I think it becomes more important with products with higher sheen.

We also make it a point to coordinate cutting with rolling, so we maintain a wet edge.
That's an interesting point about the stipple. I usually use BM paints and high quality rollers that level out so much you can't tell, however on this job we're using Behr which has no leveling quality whatsoever Still, it is a flat, grey paint that's going on ceilings in this instance.
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For me the final coat is always cut in first, then rolled into a wet edge, for the reasons Gough pointed out.
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Brush first, that's how I've done it for years. Seriously, I've always felt that it's better to brush, then roll, in order to leave stipple on as much of the wall as possible. While this may not have much of an impact with flat paints, I think it becomes more important with products with higher sheen.

We also make it a point to coordinate cutting with rolling, so we maintain a wet edge.
Yep! This what we do to tee. Although I'd rather just spray it.
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Brush first, that's how I've done it for years. Seriously, I've always felt that it's better to brush, then roll, in order to leave stipple on as much of the wall as possible. While this may not have much of an impact with flat paints, I think it becomes more important with products with higher sheen.

We also make it a point to coordinate cutting with rolling, so we maintain a wet edge.
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cut then roll depending on wall if its smooth plaster or dry wall i cut about 6 feet then roll.texture walls i can go farther with out any hatbanding. also your not standing on a step ladder cutting next to freshly painted walls where you could bump into them.i watch those home shows where they roll first then cut and i think yea right.
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I vote nun (none) of them.



Cut in
Spray
Back roll
Trim pre-painted before install
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I vote nun (none) of them.



Cut in
Spray
Back roll
Trim pre-painted before install
Caulk
touch up
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Really?

Spray ceilings (2X): spray walls (first finish coat only); pre-prime, sand, and apply one finish coat to trim before installation; install trim, fill, sand, and caulk; apply two coats of finish to trim; wait for all other trades to finish; apply finish coat (brush/roller) to walls. No touch up.
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What Itd calls 'hatbanding' we always called 'picture framing'. It can be noticed best with single coating and cheap paint.

A roller going over the cut-in will minimize the effect.
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What Itd calls 'hatbanding' we always called 'picture framing'. It can be noticed best with single coating and cheap paint.
Also known as brush strokes.
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Not brush strokes, more pigment where the two overlap. The wall appears lighter a few inches from trim and corners that were brushed. Rolling over the cut-in blends the paint and makes it less noticible.
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With Behr 2-in-1 there's no need to cut in at all.
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Speaking as the resident hack...

I usually roll first (let it dry), then cut, cut again, then roll.

Rolling first shows me exactly where and what needs brush-work.

No sense cutting 3" on a ceiling that only needed 2" (and vice-versa), same with corners...
and especially true with bathrooms, closets, and anywhere else that's gonna need a lot of cutting.

I don't like cutting-in something and then later realizing that area could have been rolled. So I take any guesswork out.

But like Tin said...if whoever's signing the check wants me to cut first...I got no problem w/that either.
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Speaking as the resident hack...

I usually roll first (let it dry), then cut, cut again, then roll.

Rolling first shows me exactly where and what needs brush-work.

No sense cutting 3" on a ceiling that only needed 2" (and vice-versa), same with corners...
and especially true with bathrooms, closets, and anywhere else that's gonna need a lot of cutting.

I don't like cutting-in something and then later realizing that area could have been rolled. So I take any guesswork out.

But like Tin said...if whoever's signing the check wants me to cut first...I got no problem w/that either.
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Mostly habit but I brush first. I like it too now that I think about it so that I know "what," to roll up to.
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One of my old employee's used to roll first. Then he'd get giggly and hungry and couldn't work for ***** the rest of the day.
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In a high end situation we cut in then roll over the cuts with a hot dog roller to get the stipple really close to the corner. Then we roll the wall out. Of course just do one wall at a time to keep a wet edge.
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Is the vote still on?

Sorry guys I didn't read the thread, I just voted.

I usually cut first, then roll. Just seems easier, to me.
I hate cutting, what, with my old eyes and all.
Get it out of the way, then blow in the rolling.

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OK, I went back to read.

Texture, sure I still try to get as close to the corner as possible.
I didn't see any thing about trim in OP, but, at least, prime and first finish coat before install. (back to my cutting comment, that's at least 3 less cuts, it's a no brainer.)

@ Steve, I think you should know by now, how wide YOU, have to cut?

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