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Old 12-22-2015, 03:22 PM   #1
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Hi guys....

Our millshop guy is finishing up an aquarium base (stand) for my daughter. He built it out of 3/4" cabinet grade - poplar plywood. I'd like some advice on the proper way to paint it to achieve a nice professional (or as close to professional as possible) looking finish.

I don't have spray equipment and frankly, would rather not take to a shop to be done. I'm "assuming" I will be using 4" or 6" mini rollers, but as for which ones or the type of cover would be the best or even the correct primer or top coats to use, well.... I'm pretty clueless at this point at what I should get or use.

Any advice would be GREATLY appreciated.
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SW Wall and Wood primer, Pro Classic or Cashmere paint.

Trim brush, Mohair or foam 4" roller.

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SW Wall and Wood primer, Pro Classic or Cashmere paint.

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He hasn't hung the doors yet, but it will be ready to go home tomorrow. Looks a LOT better than those $400+ stands at the pet stores no?

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SW Wall and Wood primer, Pro Classic or Cashmere paint.

Trim brush, Mohair or foam 4" roller.

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Gotta love a clear, concise, no BS response like that....yes it is tons better then you can buy....a hand made gift is always better
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I will second the SW Wall and Wood primer or Multipurpose primer. Sand the primer once dry and finish with two coats of SW Proclassic.
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Yeah.... what makes it nice, is my daughter bought this aquarium "upgrade" without her dad's advice. The local pet chain was having a $1 per gallon sale. So, having been an aquarium nut for years and years in my past life.... when she texts me and says dad I got a 53 gallon tank! I said no.... you got a 55 gallon and wow, that's a big upgrade.

She said no, it's a 53.... it says so right on the sticker. So, I'm like OK, they made a deal on some shorter than standard tanks and blew them out cheap. So, wanting to help her out, I get on CL and find a 55 gallon metal stand for $25 and tell the guy I'll pick it up the next day. But, when I get home, the dimensions aren't right for a normal 55. Instead of 48" long, and 13" front to back.... this one is 36" long and 18" front to back.

Well, there are tanks those dimensions in different depths, but they aren't real popular and when we went looking for a stand (yeah, dear old dad said he would buy the stand for her).... all we could find were cheap looking black boxes for over $400.

So, I go to the millshop guy in my partner's molding and millwork business and ask him his thoughts. He said, I can build anything you want, but 3/4" cabinet grade plywood will be as strong as anything the way I would build it. We found a couple of "damaged" sheets in the bone pile which my partner GAVE me.... and since the mill shop guy new it was for my daughter.... built it on his lunch hour the last couple of days. He REFUSED to let me pay him.

So, the sum total of expense I've got in the thing so far, is one 16' stick of 3" primed casing (used as top and bottom trim), one 8' piece of poplar outside corner bead, four surface mount door hinges and two really cool antique ceramic "goldfish" door pulls. I ordered for it. Well, and whatever paint and supplies I need to buy. Probably less than $70 when I'm all done.
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I will second the SW Wall and Wood primer or Multipurpose primer. Sand the primer once dry and finish with two coats of SW Proclassic.
Thanks.... never used the Proclassic or the Cashmere.... what's the difference in the two?
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Thanks.... never used the Proclassic or the Cashmere.... what's the difference in the two?

Pro Classic is self leveling.

Which means it will settle out into a smoother finish than Cashmere. It's also easier to gets runs using Pro Classic.

It is our go to trim paint though.
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Pro Classic is self leveling.

Which means it will settle out into a smoother finish than Cashmere. It's also easier to gets runs using Pro Classic.

It is our go to trim paint though.
Well shoot.... I just spoke with SW and Proclassic was the first word out of his mouth when I told him what it was for. Right up until the point I told him I would be needing it in black. He said they don't have PC in a deep enough base for black.

He recommended something else they had.... some sort of enamal (sp?) that comes in a black. Not sure what it was though. Gonna have to check it out I guess.
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The high performance hp?
I've sprayed it but never brushed it so I have no review for that one.

One of the reasons why I use BM Advance, Pro Classic hybrid doesn't have the bases to get deeper colors. Almond is about the extend of Pro Classic tinting.

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Aquarium stand, so I'd be using oil or, even better, marine urethane topside paint.

If you're good with spray cans, you can get a decent sprayed finish. Otherwise, I'd go with a foam roller and a hair dryer (heat off) to pop the bubbles as you go.
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SW all surface enamel looks great in black. Still use their wood primer. I would go a step further and finish it with 2 coats of water based clear. Lately any of my latex painted furniture projects get 2 coats of water based floor finish in satin. Adds a ton of durability.
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SW all surface enamel looks great in black. Still use their wood primer. I would go a step further and finish it with 2 coats of water based clear. Lately any of my latex painted furniture projects get 2 coats of water based floor finish in satin. Adds a ton of durability.
That will sometimes make the black look blueish
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Benjamin Moore Advance over SW Pro Classic any day, quality of the paint and durability once cured is way superior. For this job I would use following products:

One quart Zinsser Cover Stain or BIN Shellac. (first one is an oil based primer and the second one is Alcohol based).

Both of threse primers will sand smooth enough for an excellent base prep for the finish.

Your Local Benjamin Moore store may carry Bennet Expert micro fibre roller sleeves in the size of 2mm-5mm(other brands lack quality and leave lint on the surface that you are working on and in the primer/paint), those are the sleeves that you want for both priming and painting due to an excellent quality, they are lint free as well as offer extremely smooth finish.

apply atleast two coats of primer with sanding in between with 180-220 grit sandpaper and finish off with three coats of Benjamin Moore advance over top. I would be extremely surprised if you needed more than a quart of primer and a quart of paint for the entire job.

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Well shoot.... I just spoke with SW and Proclassic was the first word out of his mouth when I told him what it was for. Right up until the point I told him I would be needing it in black. He said they don't have PC in a deep enough base for black.

He recommended something else they had.... some sort of enamal (sp?) that comes in a black. Not sure what it was though. Gonna have to check it out I guess.

If you want to throw it in the truck and drive up here tomorrow I'm shooting this table base with KA+ tinted black. This base will be a medium rub, if you want bright I can top coat it with KA+ BRE, I'm out of gloss.

All Surface Enamel?

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SW all surface enamel looks great in black. Still use their wood primer. I would go a step further and finish it with 2 coats of water based clear. Lately any of my latex painted furniture projects get 2 coats of water based floor finish in satin. Adds a ton of durability.
That will sometimes make the black look blueish
I agree with th SW all surface enamel and the water base clear. If the clear is looking "blueish" it may be due to going a bit to heavy with the coating.
In our shop we use sw wood primer, 2 coats, sand between coats and be sure surface is dust free before applying the next coating, then sw all surface, 2 coats, sanded between coats. AND we always prep the 400 grit paper by running it across some raw wood first. We only use the clear coat if the item will be heavy use, but when we do, it is 2 coats, applied very light with a high quality brush. Rollers tend to apply too thick for a clear coat.
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SW Promar 200 Acrylic Alkyd is an enamel trim paint very similar to Proclassic. THIS IS NOT THE REGULAR PROMAR 200 WALL PAINT! I know it can be tinted to black. It is self leveling and very durable as a trim paint.
This paint is called "hybrid" or "modified" by some.
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Wow.... Thanks guys. A lot to think about for sure. I'll make a decision and shoot some pics to let you know how it goes.....
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Update: Talked with my local BM dealer and he said Advance (even the deep base) had some white in it, so it wouldn't be a true black. What he recommended, and I'm heading out to pick up shortly is an oil based primer and for the top coat, the Super Spec HP Lo Luster top coat (also an oil based product) in factory black.

He said using a micro-fiber mini roller, it will all flow out really nice and should be a nice finished product.

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