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Old 09-05-2018, 11:20 PM   #21
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I have the 9.5. Bought a cheaper gravity hvlp gun, never use the 9 5 anymore. Spray automotive primers an enamel top coats.

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Old 09-06-2018, 09:19 AM   #22
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Looks like either option is a bit of a drive, closest stand alone ppg is in philly and sw product finishes is about an hour and a half. Plenty of standard SW stores around though.

I did grab the wall and wood primer based off your recommendations though

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Check BM then, Lenmar Duralac for the cabinets.

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What's your budget?
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I was ok with going up to the cost of the ultra max. SW said if I signed up for an account they could work on the pricing for me. So, $600 or so?

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I was ok with going up to the cost of the ultra max. SW said if I signed up for an account they could work on the pricing for me. So, $600 or so?

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I own a graco true coat and also a 360. Neither of which am I overly impressed.

1 qt in an airless sprayer goes quick, I mean real quick. I can paint 1 and a half doors with 1 qt and 1 coat. I might not be the worlds greatest painter but I do okay.

I think the hand held sprayers are SMALL project guns.
The Fine Finish (FF) tips might cut back on the waste, I've never used one.
They might give you a much better transfer efficiency than what I've used.


If your looking for youtube paint pros.... check out Idaho Painter and also DFW crown
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Again, with what you’re looking to do the Gx-19 fits the bill well. It was designed with finishing as its primary task.

Just the fact the cup won’t be in the way is a big plus.

It can be purchased for about $800.00. Either system you’ll need more tips, so that’s a wash.

https://www.jnequipment.com/shop/pai...RoCmx0QAvD_BwE

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Set up your SW account. Get on Graco’s website, click “try it before you buy it” this will allow you to decide by actually using the equipment.

It is how I decided to add the Triton as one of my systems. The Graco rep forgot I had it, after 3 months I had to contact my SW rep to get the paper work done. They may allow you a 3 payment plan.

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Wow, that's pretty awesome. Thank you for the heads up on that.

I'm going to grab the hvlp my brother in law has tomorrow since it's available and free to use. At least with that I can play around and get a feel for using a sprayer

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Wow, that's pretty awesome. Thank you for the heads up on that.

I'm going to grab the hvlp my brother in law has tomorrow since it's available and free to use. At least with that I can play around and get a feel for using a sprayer

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A heads up—-it (spraying) will frustrate the hell out of you.

The Graco HVLP has a high pitched whine, good luck getting used to it.

See if he has a Ford 4 cup, it will become your best friend.

One other thing— I use very little lighting when I spray, I spray by sound.

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A heads up—-it (spraying) will frustrate the hell out of you.

The Graco HVLP has a high pitched whine, good luck getting used to it.

See if he has a Ford 4 cup, it will become your best friend.

One other thing— I use very little lighting when I spray, I spray by sound.

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Interesting, I would like to hear more about the sound method

Spraying paint is something you learn by doing

In fact you have to re-learn when using different materials or equipment

There are a lot of variables, even temperature and humidity, can have drastic effects

The more you do the better you can predict what to do in a given situation

What works for some may not work for others



You have to develop a “feel” for it

As with anything , I try to learn from the experiences of others , and try not to assume I have nothing to learn
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Interesting, I would like to hear more about the sound method

Spraying paint is something you learn by doing

In fact you have to re-learn when using different materials or equipment

There are a lot of variables, even temperature and humidity, can have drastic effects

The more you do the better you can predict what to do in a given situation

What works for some may not work for others



You have to develop a “feel” for it

As with anything , I try to learn from the experiences of others , and try not to assume I have nothing to learn
I’ve been spraying only 51 years, sill have a lot to learn.

You will hear a change long before you’ll see a change in the surface. Close your eyes sometime, you’ll learn to hear the product being applied.

I can tell from across the shop if the person spraying is going to fast, to slow, has a pressure issue, has a fluid feed rate issue, tip or air office is occluded.

To over come temperature issues with the products, warm or cold water baths for the container.

I’m shooting a new to me “finish” primer right now. Had the AAA set up so I decided to use that. The primer is a whole different animal than what I normally use and the AAA is not the best choice. I’ll finish out with it but now I know it will be better shot through the Triton with a 1.5 nozzle/needle set.

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That's 51 more years experience than I have!

I pretty much assumed spraying would be annoying and finicky, so I'm mentally prepared for that.

I have no idea what a Ford 4 cup is, there's nothing extra with the kit, just what it was sold with. It has a 2,3, and 4 tip with it. I'm pretty sure it was only used once when we were doing a remodel and our painter sprayed the existing cabinets.

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Thanks for the clarification Tom

With it explained like that , I understand what you mean

I’ve learned a couple of things on this thread already, and I hope to continue
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That's 51 more years experience than I have!

I pretty much assumed spraying would be annoying and finicky, so I'm mentally prepared for that.

I have no idea what a Ford 4 cup is, there's nothing extra with the kit, just what it was sold with. It has a 2,3, and 4 tip with it. I'm pretty sure it was only used once when we were doing a remodel and our painter sprayed the existing cabinets.

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A Ford 4 cup is an inexpensive way to check the fluid viscosity.

Understanding viscosity is one of the most important things to spraying finishes.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_viscosity_cup

The Graco 9.5 with the Edge gun is supposed to be a nice system. I just can’t take the pitch of the turbine.

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I started spraying about 8 years ago. Started with a Capspray 5 stage HVLP. Also did some spraying with an Airless. Graco 495? I used HVLP for Stains and clears. Airless for basic house paint.
My first airless I purchased was the Graco Pro Shot. I've had all three generations of that Cordless gun. It's perfect for the one or two door jobs that I get a lot of.

The HVLP was easy for me to get the hang of without having anyone around to instruct me in how it should be done.

I would be afraid to spray anything in the presence of a real painter. I'm probably doing everything wrong and in as inefficient a way as could be. But, somehow, my woodwork looks great when I'm done. Even got complimented on it today by the client. Clear Poly over 1x12 Beetle Kill Pine.

I wish the product suppliers and tool companies (Graco) would give classes on the proper use of their equipment and finishes.

I recently got the new Graco 9.5 HVLP and the Edge II Plus gun. Love that gun compared to the old capspray I was using. The noise doesn't bother me, and I'm the kind of person who hates most noisy tools.

Now to go research more about Ford 4 cups and what I've been doing wrong with viscosity, which I've never checked on anything.
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How does the noise compare to having 2 toddlers?

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How does the noise compare to having 2 toddlers?
Couldn't possibly come close. Last week, in an occupied remodel, I had the pleasure of listening to this for 2 hours and 45 minutes.

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Couldn't possibly come close. Last week, in an occupied remodel, I had the pleasure of listening to this for 2 hours and 45 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjFcrv6Lfx8
Mine love that damn song

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I may have to teach “my girls” that song, just to drive their mother crazy.

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Lol, that's just mean

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