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Old 09-05-2018, 08:39 AM   #1
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HVLP Or Airless


Hey guys,

I was hoping you could share thoughts/ experiences on the two options. I've never sprayed before, but I'd like to get into it. I have access to a Graco FinishPro 7, or if I went airless I'd probably go with the Graco UltraMax.

My main uses would be trim/ built ins. In the past, it was always just let the painters brush and roll, but I'd like to get into the higher quality finishes.

If anyone has any suggestions on where to read up/ videos to watch, I'd appreciate that, too.

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An airless is more versatile

If all you were doing was cabinets or built ins the hvlp can give a better Finish and more control ,but it is much slower on large areas

Airless sprayers are all about tip selection and pressure settings

The hvlp guns typically have adjustable fan settings and produce a finer mist

Airless sprayers you must change tips to adjust the fan

Hvlp is more sensitive to paint viscosity, you have to thin a lot of paints
to use them

Airless sprayers will usually spray without thinning

If the smoothest finish is the goal hvlp is the way to go

However, airless sprayers can produce fine finishes with the right tips

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I use HVLP for almost all my painting.

I've got a 4900 graco pro cart.

If I did it all over again, I might get an Airless Air Assisted.

But I REALLY love my HVLP
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If anyone has any suggestions on where to read up/ videos to watch, I'd appreciate that, too.

Thanks!
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Most recent use of my HVLP

SW all surface enamel (oil) un thinned
On an exterior garden gate

Other picture is Sherwood lacquer on a replacement cabinet box
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Why limit yourself to just one finishing option? We've got airless, air assist airless, several gravity feed hvlp & a graco ultramax. All have different applications depending on finish & results we're trying to acheive.


What finish are you wanting to spray cabinets with? Latex, or lacquer base?
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The main tip I can give for spraying is lots of light.

When spraying you need to look more at the sheen of the surface that you are spraying ,and not the color

A glancing light that lets you see the texture of the paint as it is applied will give better results

Always test on something other than your work piece

Practice practice practice
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Why limit yourself to just one finishing option? We've got airless, air assist airless, several gravity feed hvlp & a graco ultramax. All have different applications depending on finish & results we're trying to acheive.


What finish are you wanting to spray cabinets with? Latex, or lacquer base?
A very good point . The materials used often dictate the equipment
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The Graco GX-19 is probably the best choice for what you describe without getting into multiple systems to start.

I’m in the same boat as Pin, I have just about every spray option available to me.

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YouTube? They gotta a whole lot of ways and means there.
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Why limit yourself to just one finishing option? We've got airless, air assist airless, several gravity feed hvlp & a graco ultramax. All have different applications depending on finish & results we're trying to acheive.


What finish are you wanting to spray cabinets with? Latex, or lacquer base?
I'm not opposed to eventually getting more than one system, but for just starting out I wasn't sure if one would be better than the other.

Finishes is another thing for me to learn about. I'd probably lean towards latex to start until I can get enough practice with lacquer based

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Really ,to be honest, you don't need to spend a lot of money if , you don't want to.

I've got a cheap HF gravity feed that I've sprayed everything from cars to cabinets with , and only spent about $25 on it

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The main tip I can give for spraying is lots of light.

When spraying you need to look more at the sheen of the surface that you are spraying ,and not the color

A glancing light that lets you see the texture of the paint as it is applied will give better results

Always test on something other than your work piece

Practice practice practice
I learned a while ago that direct light doesn't show nearly as much as indirect light and shadows do 👍

Which ever option I go with, I plan on practicing a lot with projects around my house

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Lacquer is actually very forgiving , it dries fast, and sands well
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Lacquer is actually very forgiving , it dries fast, and sands well
Good to know.

One thing I want to avoid in regards to built ins is the inevitable scraping off of paint as they are used. As I mentioned, in the past I would build them then the painters would come in and brush/ roll, and the finish on the shelves and occasional counter would never hold up well.



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I'm not opposed to eventually getting more than one system, but for just starting out I wasn't sure if one would be better than the other.

Finishes is another thing for me to learn about. I'd probably lean towards latex to start until I can get enough practice with lacquer based

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If you're spraying small projects, cabinets, doors, builtins, ect & not full rooms & large areas, I'd probably steer you towards the Graco ultramax if you're starting with latex. The Low pressure FF tips do a really nice job of laying a smooth finish.

If you're going to start playing with lacquers, here's a nice set of gravity feed hvlp guns that won't break the bank. We've got 4 of these guns that we spray everything from stains, to clear lacquer to to tinted lacquers (paint) to poly

https://www.amazon.com/DeVilbiss-802.../dp/B000KSTFJO
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If there is a PPG dealer near you give Breakthrough a shot

There are SW products Iíd recommend but donít want to put you through dealing with a products finishes store....

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If you go with an air gun , good water filters are a must
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If there is a PPG dealer near you give Breakthrough a shot

There are SW products Iíd recommend but donít want to put you through dealing with a products finishes store....

Tom
Looks like either option is a bit of a drive, closest stand alone ppg is in philly and sw product finishes is about an hour and a half. Plenty of standard SW stores around though.

I did grab the wall and wood primer based off your recommendations though

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This is the graco hvlp I have access to. Not sure if it's the 7, 9, or 9.5. I might see if I can grab it tomorrow to test it out

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