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Old 12-06-2012, 08:41 AM   #1
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Garage Floor Epoxy


I have a customer that just had a stand alone 16 x 24 garage built and wants to have an epoxy floor coating installed.

I wish it were the Abatron or similar top grade product but I think it will be the big box or equal - (Rust - Oleum).

I'd like to get some input / recommendations from anyone who has used these products. Ease of use, installation ease / difficulty. Held up or not over time ?

I've read some reviews. They are a bit mixed. One concern that keeps popping up is application in Sub 50 - 60 deg weather. Seems like there are far less problems when applied in 70 deg + conditions. Its a stand alone bldg with no heat.

We're running out of even 50 deg days at the moment. I don't want to install if at 45 - 50 deg that will cause the mix to set up too fast, peel off in 90 days or other difficulties as in 1 review I read.

What's your take on this stuff and in cooler temps ?
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Old 12-06-2012, 09:11 AM   #2
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I have a customer that just had a stand alone 16 x 24 garage built and wants to have an epoxy floor coating installed.

I wish it were the Abatron or similar top grade product but I think it will be the big box or equal - (Rust - Oleum).

I'd like to get some input / recommendations from anyone who has used these products. Ease of use, installation ease / difficulty. Held up or not over time ?

I've read some reviews. They are a bit mixed. One concern that keeps popping up is application in Sub 50 - 60 deg weather. Seems like there are far less problems when applied in 70 deg + conditions. Its a stand alone bldg with no heat.

We're running out of even 50 deg days at the moment. I don't want to install if at 45 - 50 deg that will cause the mix to set up too fast, peel off in 90 days or other difficulties as in 1 review I read.

What's your take on this stuff and in cooler temps ?

i work with concrete on a smaller scale but that situation sounds like a sealing issue waiting to happen. at this point if you and your client really want it done I would have the manufacturer hold your hand through it and think of a backup plan when it starts to delam.

theres some other sealers that are still breathable when sealed. i think that would be the wisest.

i'm sure there is someone on here that has pushed these limits.

one of the sealers i've been playing with requires my concrete to be at 120 degrees before sealing!

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I've used the big box product as a test for a concrete desk top, never on a garage floor. My results indicate it is a fairly soft finish for an epoxy. It scratches very easily. I don't think I would put it on my garage floor.

As far as cooler applications, check the manufacturer's website for specific info and/or call their tech rep for advise. If you can't follow their instructions for any reason and apply it anyway you will own any failures.

Not sure about the temperature limitations without looking it up but you might look into xylexin. It's pricey, but very durable.

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Industrial-grade epoxies are generally not cold curing. The caveat with these products in material preparation and application is that the instructions must be followed. Mix part A with part B, pay attention to the induction period recommendation, and the material must be applied within a certain time period. It converts (hardens) chemically. As it is expensive, it is important to follow and comply with the directions for use.
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Just went thu a epoxy garage job.

I'm not a painter or a concrete expert but for a old client and future work with them I agreed but researched for a week.

Old garage = lots of prep.

Two ways of getting to clean concrete are mechanical and chemical.

I opted for mechanical since the reviews were mixed on the latter and some said the residue left from the chemicals could be a problem putting you back to square one.

Now there a two options for me (in GR) grinding the concrete or blasting the old grime off.

I personally would have preferred subbing out shot blasting as it's cheaper than you might think and the timeline is so much shorter.... guy comes in blasts and cleans up in 1 1/2 and I'm ready to coat. But the guy was booked up and I was fighting temp. drop also.

So I rented a concrete grinder and spent 3 1/2 hours grinding.

Tip: get the biggest one you can, not necessarily for the wider pattern but for the weight. It goes way faster.

Anyways the bonus for the grinder is you level it up too. It's not as hard as you might think but dusty as hell.

I placed a heater in the garage and left it on thru a tank of propane. Came back in the noon hour and epoxied. For a better product figure two coats, it really makes a difference as the pours are open from your prep it really sucks it (epoxy) in.

Anyways that's my limited experience and again, I'm a newbie to this. I would have subbed it out and I tried but cold was coming (MI. winters) and could not find anyone not already booked up.
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We have used the rust oleum product on three separate jobs now. Each time, a new problem.
First, different sheens. We followed the manufacturers instructions to a t. Called them up, had the cost of materials refunded and had to apply a second coat over the whole floor within 4 days. Same problem on the second application.
The past two jobs have both had problems with adhesion and scratching. We used more of the "etch" than required, washed, waited all weekend for it to dry, then applied. A week later, there were spots peeling and a few spots bubbled.
The rust oleum product, as far as I'm concerned, is complete garbage.
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Thanks for your input fellas

He was appreciative of my input and research. I would not put down the cheap stuff and all signs pointed that its too cold right now for such an application.

Abatron and Wolverine Epoxy coating - industrial grade materials / much higher solids content was about $750 materials only and over his budget.

He got a couple of rolls of this:
http://www.costco.com/Taupe-7.5%27-x...100011176.html

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As Paulie described the prep involved for these jobs is vital , especially for an older floor surface. No profile and proper cleaning= poor adhesion, wasted material , etc. Shot blasting is the best prep method, but it is very expensive. Conversion of a 2-part system will not occur properly in cold weather conditions.
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I'm no expert in this field but you mentioned this to be a new floor? I believe you have to wait 30 or 60 days for concrete to cure out before you can epoxy. As for cold weather I did a floor a few years back and ran heaters for 3 days. About 4 years later floors holding up well.
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I run from any painting of concrete. I read an article years ago that said if calcium chloride was used in the mix that it slowly leaches upward and may be the issue with so many problems

Try to talk them into a decent concrete stain if they dont want to see raw concrete

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