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Old 05-02-2016, 05:13 PM   #1
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Fence Stain! (Which Airless?)


Have an interesting project coming up where we will need to spray fence panels laying on the ground before installation. Looking to purchase an airless for this. We will be using transparent oil stain on this. Which model Graco would be the best bang for the buck and which tip do you recommend.
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If it's a one time use, go with a Magnum from Home Depot, the X7 will work. If you plan on using it more go with the 390.

Have to know which stain/sealer product to recommend a tip.

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If spraying is something you don't do all the time, you can often find one on craigslist. And then dispose of it on craigslist.


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I am spraying Sikkens SRD transparent.
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I used SRD once, recall it being on the thin side. Think we used a 310 and back brushed it. Check the TDS, I believe you must back brush SRD if you spray apply it.

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We back brush everything anyway. I will check on it.
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We back brush everything anyway.
Another example of having flunkies on hand to back brush (or backroll, for that matter) a job that an airless should be able to do by itself (in the right hands). If you've got flunkies on hand...they might as well earn their wages.

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On exterior like this, I almost never go below 013 for a tip. I also don't back brush or back roll, but most products have it as part of their application directions.

If it's just a regular old fence panel with only small gaps between boards, I'd use a 515 unless overspray is a big deal, then I'd move down.

Flat on the ground is a heck of a way to try to spray...
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I wouldn't buy an airless just to spray fence panels flat on the ground!

Pick up a pump up fruit sprayer, & a fine bristle push broom. Basically, all the sprayer does is apply the material. If it's a semi transparent oil base product, it's water thin, so no need to use high pressure to atomize. Spray it on, let the broom even it all out. The spray will reach what the broom can't reach, & the broom will even out what's too wet on the surface. I used to do lots of cedar exterior homes this way when cedar was real popular in the 70's/80's. It also works well on decks.

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I wouldn't buy an airless just to spray fence panels flat on the ground!
Probably a decent way to get his feet wet spraying. I wouldn't spray fence flat on the ground - no good way to coat the whole panel in one go.
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No way I would be spraying fence panels lying flat on the ground and no need to back brush if done properly.
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Another example of having flunkies on hand to back brush (or backroll, for that matter) a job that an airless should be able to do by itself (in the right hands). If you've got flunkies on hand...they might as well earn their wages.
The TDS for SRD requires back brushing.

Helps to read the instructions on the products you are using.

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The TDS for SRD requires back brushing.

Helps to read the instructions on the products you are using.

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I can't think of one that doesn't "require" it. OTOH, if you do an actual adhesion test on the final cured film, you'll find back brushing or back rolling may not be needed for adhesion purposes. If you have a beat up substrate, you may need it for film integrity, regardless.

Having had adhesion fail from following the TDS, I do actual field testing on anything important.
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A pump up sprayer will work fine/ok.

For the paint sprayer, I think it depends on how much you might use it in the future. I started with a smaller one. $300 to $400 range. It sprayed good, but when you go cheaper, you don't get the gallons per minute. You spray about 4' to 5' then wait for the sprayer to build pressure back up.
After the pump died, I bought a more expensive one. Possibly $800 range. I can squeeze the trigger and the pump keeps up all the time. No stopping and waiting. This makes a huge difference when applying finishes. Imagine all the down time while waiting for the pump to catch up. It adds up quick. I don't know either model, but they were both Graco.

For a professional, my sprayers wouldn't be nearly good enough. We used it once last year so far once this year. Since this is not something I do very often, I am happy with it.
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The advantage of using an airless is the amount of stain that can be applied to make the application go faster (on sizable jobs). Airless spray it on, let it soak in awhile, hit it again with the airless, backroll or whatever. New wood soaks up stain like a sponge. What's the GPM of pump sprayers these days?

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