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Old 11-25-2008, 09:02 AM   #1
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Goodmorning, raining in the northeast, maybe some of you painters are home waiting for my question. I have a thread you may have seen "ARCH TOP GARAGE DOORS", I covered these doors in rough sawn pine and cedar. They are all stained with CABOTTS OIL, i am interested in applying a protective coat of something on top, as the final finish. I do not want a high sheen finish, something more mat. I probably dont need to do anything else as the cabotts is a good hardy finish, but i think a top finish coat will add some dimension{depth} to the final look, and offer additional protection. Thanks for your time, G

BTW, here is the door thread if you have not seen it
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Old 11-25-2008, 12:56 PM   #2
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You cna go over it with a marine varnish. Its a good idea because the Cabotts will fade quickly like a deck will.

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i think that you are fine with just the Cabott. think of it this way, if it fails then you get more work when they pay you to re-coat it and if they don't keep up on the maintenance you will make more money to replace the rotting wood.

either way its win win. you don't want things to last forever, we are all in business to make money.
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i think that you are fine with just the Cabott. think of it this way, if it fails then you get more work when they pay you to re-coat it and if they don't keep up on the maintenance you will make more money to replace the rotting wood.

either way its win win. you don't want things to last forever, we are all in business to make money.
Wow I hope this was a joke!
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In this case I'd recommend Sikkens Door & Window
No matte that I know of, but it does come in satin

Although I don't have an aversion to marine varnishes, I would not recommend one for this case for a few reasons

As you can't get "all 6 sides" at this point, moisture can get under the coating
When that happens, the fix is much more intense then merely re-coating
The finish peels up and the wood discolors where it peeled

As the garage is heated, this is also not ideal as the MV are not flexible enough to handle this well, and (again) they peel up and it's a bit of a project to fix

Both of these might be avoided with careful observation and regular re-coating before any problems arrive
At minimum you would pretty much have to coat at least once a year for a prevent defense

These issues alone are enough for me to Just Say No to a marine varnish for this particular app

At least I'd suggest a spar urethane
The Sikkens D&W is even better

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i think that you are fine with just the Cabott. think of it this way, if it fails then you get more work when they pay you to re-coat it and if they don't keep up on the maintenance you will make more money to replace the rotting wood.

either way its win win. you don't want things to last forever, we are all in business to make money.

Its my house, i want it to last, as a tradesmen you know, its hard enough to do something in your own house once. i want LOW maintenance and long life. G
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Goodmorning, raining in the northeast, maybe some of you painters are home waiting for my question. I have a thread you may have seen "ARCH TOP GARAGE DOORS", I covered these doors in rough sawn pine and cedar. They are all stained with CABOTTS OIL, i am interested in applying a protective coat of something on top, as the final finish. I do not want a high sheen finish, something more mat. I probably dont need to do anything else as the cabotts is a good hardy finish, but i think a top finish coat will add some dimension{depth} to the final look, and offer additional protection. Thanks for your time, G

BTW, here is the door thread if you have not seen it
http://www.contractortalk.com/showthread.php?t=39746

My question is, how do you make over 2,500 posts in 9 months?!?

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Here is door finished with Sikkens Door & Window. Cedar doors , we use a ton of this product....
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...we use a ton of this product....
Would you say the satin is what this guy is looking for?
I don't think an actual flat/matte is possible, or desirable
But I don't think the S D&W satin is real shiny either


btw: Nice job on those doors TP...looks great in pics
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I went through a similar delimma on a exterior stained fir door.
Most exterior finishes suck at the best, they chaulk, peel, flake, and crack.
you will have a few issues stated previously about not being able to cover all 6 sides.

I came up with a solution, holding up good so far, not sure if I want to devulge just yet.
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I came up with a solution, holding up good so far, not sure if I want to devulge just yet.
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I am not just sure of its performance yet!
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Lol...appreciate that
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Would you say the satin is what this guy is looking for?
I don't think an actual flat/matte is possible, or desirable
But I don't think the S D&W satin is real shiny either


btw: Nice job on those doors TP...looks great in pics
Thanks slick, the satin is not to shiny and as far as exterior wood finish goes it holds up rather well........

Another nice product is WoodTux which goes on really sweet but gotta recoat pretty much yearly.....

I've been in Falmouth alot, man its freakin cold out...............
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I've been in Falmouth alot, man its freakin cold out...............
Yeah no kidding, we've had snow out on the lower Cape 3 times already
(OK, only once it's stayed for more than 24 hours...lol...but still)
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Minwax's clearshield is a good exterior polyurethane. It does a good job against UV deterioration.
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How about waterbased flooring polyurethane. Most of the major lines have a matte or even super matte finish. If it's made for commercial restaurant applications it should hold up to a little rain!
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Yeah Sikkens is the way to go. They also have a UV filter top coat which is very handy if the stain is exposed to a lot of afternoon sun.

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