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Old 02-23-2007, 08:27 PM   #1
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What do you gentleman expect of your excavator?
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Old 02-23-2007, 09:31 PM   #2
 
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HA GOOD TOPIC

main thing i guess is watch out not to overdig

well, let me be fair

I need to tell you to watch out not to overdig

(goes for both walls and floor)

and then I need to make sure that you don't.


Cost wise, I think excavation is really where you (as the builder) can lose money big time if things don't work out. .... there's so many other factors on the job (meaning materials) that can increase in cost just from a direction relation to a sloppy excavation job

A bucket full here and a bucket full there --- and before you know it, you're spending money for an extra yard of gunite (or concrete, whichever you're using)

Or, you're spending more time (and money) trying to accomdate your formwork to compensate for large chunks of walls that got knocked out.




basically Nick - try to picture the countour of the shell. Really, your builder should be there showing your where to dig. But I know most of the industry doesn't work that way.




Stuff happens though - Nick - especially when you get into some shale and pieces of the walls just start breakin off. Nobody should be getting mad at you for that. Basically just be efficient and as accurate as possible.

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my main concerns are
1. minimal handwork
2. keep a schedule
3. THE ABILITY TO HANDLE WATER TABLES

im sure everybody knows, not every operator can dig a pool. its a niche

i think i read denick has been digging for almost 40 yrs
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yeah, no handwork, lol





OH --- be able to dig the coves ... if i didn't mention that earlier.


I have no idea how to explain this to an operator who has never seen that


Nick -
not being able to dig the coves properly will lead your customer (the builder) to incurring extra charges on gunite

(the interface of the wall and floor is not straight -- it is coved) hard to explain
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nick understands he works w/ some of the big boys
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good -

Nick - how can I explain to an operator who doesn't hasn't seen the coves how to dig them


I know one guy who has the visualization for this ... but he's not available ...
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dirt,

37 years ago I was 17 and I dug my first pool. It was for a major pool company.

When we got paid which was very prompt there was a deduction for extra stone because of overdigging! 1.5 ton. I can still see that check in my uncles hand and the deduction like it was this morning.

I considered that a punch in the face, that I deserved! No over digging.
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37 years ago not many around then...big tall guy, up my way??

tough outfit i learned alot about work & life, a role model to this day

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37 years ago I was 17 and I dug my first pool. It was for a major pool company.

When we got paid which was very prompt there was a deduction for extra stone because of overdigging! 1.5 ton. I can still see that check in my uncles hand and the deduction like it was this morning.

I considered that a punch in the face, that I deserved! No over digging.

you gotta be kiddin
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good -

Nick - how can I explain to an operator who doesn't hasn't seen the coves how to dig them


I know one guy who has the visualization for this ... but he's not available ...
Dirt,
I have an idea! How about just showing the operator a plan with a cross section. If that dosen't do the trick hire a real operator. There's a saying............something like "You get what you pay for" something like that.
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Everything I refer to has to do with gunite. I have only dug for 1 liner and 1 fiberglass pool.

What kind of machines do you hire to dig your pools?

If I may ask? Have you ever dug a pool?
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supplying the operator w/ your engineers drawing is a given
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supplying the operator w/ your engineers drawing is a given
Ok, now there shouldn't be a problem then right? Unless you have problematic soil conditions it should be dug to a certain spec. within a tolerance and anything over that should be delt in as Nick pointed out "a backcharge" then it's up to you wether you use him again.
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Everything I refer to has to do with gunite. I have only dug for 1 liner and 1 fiberglass pool.

What kind of machines do you hire to dig your pools?

If I may ask? Have you ever dug a pool?
oh ok - important for liner is the shelf ...


i use backhoes ...

yes, i've dug them before ...
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Anyone of you pool guys have any pictures of work progressing you would share? Is Rus going to be mad we were having fun without him?
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So what do excavators wish pool guys did differently?
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So what do excavators wish pool guys did differently?
prolly go sit back in the damn truck


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