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Old 02-07-2010, 10:32 PM   #41
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Do a little research on AWI and I think you will find out that you're very misinformed. I hope the sticker helps with the structural integrity of the cabinet box because it is going to need all the help it can get IMO.

You're also wrong about something else too.....I am not a salesman,I am a cabinet maker. This stuff sells itself
I am not wrong. I came here not looking for arguments. Some one who builds big heavy wooden boxes in their garage is not in the same league as those who sell quality products from major manufacturers with KCMA stickers showing quality. The major manufacturers also offer lifetime warranties transferable to the next owners. Home made wooden box builders offer nothing to protect the consumer. Nothing. If those half inch sides and quarter inch backs are so dangerous and inferior I wonder why they offer these awesome warranties without ever having to make good on any claims do to failure.

Forget it man. You will never understand the business. Dont answer me anymore.
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Old 02-07-2010, 10:37 PM   #42
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Lose the receipt and the warranty is gone.
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Some one who builds big heavy wooden boxes in their garage is not in the same league as those who sell quality products from major manufacturers with KCMA stickers showing quality.
Okay, I've been watching this from the sidelines and resisting the urge to chime in. But that takes the cake.

You want stickers? I can produce any sticker you can dream up, and it won't improve the quality of the product one whit.

Conversely, I can unequivocally guarantee you that "some guy with a garage" is most certainly capable of producing a product that excels in quality by an order of magnitude or more over any mass-produced piece of schlock.

Gotta be careful with those absolute statements.
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Old 02-08-2010, 07:15 AM   #44
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I am not wrong. I came here not looking for arguments. Some one who builds big heavy wooden boxes in their garage is not in the same league as those who sell quality products from major manufacturers with KCMA stickers showing quality. The major manufacturers also offer lifetime warranties transferable to the next owners. Home made wooden box builders offer nothing to protect the consumer. Nothing. If those half inch sides and quarter inch backs are so dangerous and inferior I wonder why they offer these awesome warranties without ever having to make good on any claims do to failure.

Forget it man. You will never understand the business. Dont answer me anymore.

We were talking about 3/8" boxes Jimmy so don't change the subject. If 3/8" is a perfectly fine choice under all situations why does Merillat offer a more expensive upgrade to either 3/8" plywood or 1/2" PB with a 3/8" back for "added strength and stability" http://www.merillat.com/products/construction.aspx#end. Interestingly enough they call it their "Mastepiece" line and charge more for it.

It would seem as though according to your own sources thicker = stronger .

You are right however about not being in the "same league" as your giant manufacturers and the price of my products reflects that. It usually runs about twice as high. I wonder why people would seek me out and pay that much?

I was watching the Bud Shootout the other night and I couldn't help but notice that the stickers that looked like headlights on the race cars weren't really headlights at all...they were just stickers....but it's gotta be a headlight though because we all know that stickers don't lie
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We were talking about 3/8" boxes Jimmy so don't change the subject. If 3/8" is a perfectly fine choice under all situations why does Merillat offer a more expensive upgrade to either 3/8" plywood or 1/2" PB with a 3/8" back for "added strength and stability" http://www.merillat.com/products/construction.aspx#end. Interestingly enough they call it their "Mastepiece" line and charge more for it.

It would seem as though according to your own sources thicker = stronger .

You are right however about not being in the "same league" as your giant manufacturers and the price of my products reflects that. It usually runs about twice as high. I wonder why people would seek me out and pay that much?

I was watching the Bud Shootout the other night and I couldn't help but notice that the stickers that looked like headlights on the race cars weren't really headlights at all...they were just stickers....but it's gotta be a headlight though because we all know that stickers don't lie
Ok I did not mean to get rough with you. We all have a sore spot in Texas and actually an extreme hatred for those as they call them here........ "site built" cabinets. They are incorrectly called custom cabinets, What they are is painted wooden boxes.

You are correct that the upgraded Masterpiece uses thicker box construction and it is wood not PB. Masterpiece has only been around for about 8 years when it replaced Ameria Cabinets, Merillat's own brand. Masterpiece is actually made by Kraftmaid and Merillat stamps their emblem inside the drawers. All the same Masco owned companies.

I just noticed your web site. Looks like you are an asset to our profession. We just go in different directions with it. You keep up the good work and dont be so stuborn about PB.

Oh and good for you for particapating in Extreme Makeover. I have too. Awesome stuff. I just finished and this job will run on TV they told us first or second week of Feb. And since I saw a commercial for this Sundays show and it ain't it then maybe next week. Either way here is the picture of the home before you see it on TV. It was the biggest home ever built by Extreme Makeover.

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I only use 3/4" plywood on roofs and floors never osb it swells when it gets wet and it's not what I would use in my house so why would I use it in yours.
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There are markets for both Ply and PB/Melamine. The shop I worked in never used PB because that was the clients we catered to. You don't sell a ford to someone shopping for a lexus. They are both solid cars, and the ford is a hell of alot cheaper, they will both probably go 150k miles if maintained, etc.

From the building prespective, PB/Melamine is more consistant in thickness and flatter than any Ply, maybe with the exception of Combi core. It doesn't fuzz up on the edges when you run your nests on CNC, so the edgeband bonds on better, there are no core voids, etc. However, the dust is nasty, it kill bits faster, doesn't hold regular screws as well (Confirmats are a different story), and weighs a ton.

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plastic is superior to metal?

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