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Old 02-21-2011, 09:49 PM   #21
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im starting to think that if angus didnt come up with the smart idea, he gets argumentative
Huh?

I'm not a plumber. However, I have read many threads where (actual) plumbers have posted negative comments about the sharkbites.

As has been stated, the OP doesn't seem to have a lot of experience with plumbing. He is receiving advice. What I posted can't be considered advice too? All I did was bring up a realistic bit of info. Do you know for a fact that sharkbites are allowed in his circumstance? What about putting a shutoff valve in an enclosed area?

As far as I knew, point of view is objective. I through some info out for thought. You can back with some unrelated circumstances. How does that make me argumentative?

Just trying to give the guy options and info.
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Old 02-21-2011, 09:50 PM   #22
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Huh?

I'm not a plumber. However, I have read many threads where (actual) plumbers have posted negative comments about the sharkbites.

As has been stated, the OP doesn't seem to have a lot of experience with plumbing. He is receiving advice. What I posted can't be considered advice too? All I did was bring up a realistic bit of info. Do you know for a fact that sharkbites are allowed in his circumstance? What about putting a shutoff valve in an enclosed area?

As far as I knew, point of view is objective. I through some info out for thought. You can back with some unrelated circumstances. How does that make me argumentative?

Just trying to give the guy options and info.

did you not see the wink in my sentence.....
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ok well here is more then just conjecture


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Your in the flooring business. Why are you messing around with plumbing on a job you have never done but bid....then ask others how to do it?

This proly wont means much but you are in over your head. The problems only START with shutting water off, many more things can happen and if you don't know how to shut water off what will happen when you have other problems like snapping a stem on the valve?

As plumbers we can do this job in no time flat and that's what you should be bidding if you don't know how to plumb. That's not to say a flooring guy can't do plumbing but you obviously haven't done it before. That, at least to me, puts your business in serious risk. You insurance carrier will NOT cover plumbing....I'm quite sure.

If you don't heed this advice and still want to move forward with experimenting on a paying customers house who thinks you know what your doing than I would start by shutting the water off and finding out if the valve works. Then turn it back on and prepare for the job when it comes.

If you are able to I would pre-assemble the mixer tree so it's done when you get to it. Then simple cut the line, install valves, then install the tree.

This isn't a substitute for plumbing advice. If I were you I would practice on your own home before doing it in a customers house. I honestly can't imagine bidding a job doing something I have no knowledge in then going to a forum for advice.

It's a Punch and Judy show here.

I'm sure your gonna get pissed at me and that's fine. But if you get sued you will remember the name Mike's Plumbing for the next 20 years because that's how long it will take to recover.

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Im not actually doing anything to the plumbing, just need to remove the fixtures and demo. I just want to be able to cap the shower so I can turn on the rest of the house while working on the shower/bath. Im not touching the plumbing aside from that, wont do it.
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Oh so we went through all of that for nothing.

My apologies to the OP, Sebastian and Mike....and anyone else who I may have offended.

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And for the record.....

I once decide to do a complete bathroom by myself...It was my first and last. I did the tile, the flooring, the drywall, the trim, the hardware, the cabinet....and even hung up mirrors (and plumbing of course).

The tile looked a 5 year old did it in a third world country. The floor was so screwed up I'm not sure where to start with that. The trim was average but the HO deserved excellence.

I'll never forget that week, it was the worst decision I have ever made in business. My tile guy can pund out a tile floor like lightning, same with the floor guy and the drywall guy etc....and guess what, it would be cheaper and a much better job.

I have experience and I have made many mistakes. What COULD happen can be your undoing as a business man.

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Oh so we went through all of that for nothing.

Make one of these.
Haha sorry guys, guess I didnt make myself clear enough. Im not adding a shut off valve, not cutting pipes, nothing thats going to alter the existing plumber aside from new fixtures. Mike I understand what you're saying, Im not going into the plumbing aspect of this tear out. I would have a plumber come in for that, regardless or I'd pass on the job.

Just need to cap it off. All my jobs so far have been dry, just putting durock and tile up. This will be the first where I'd have to deal with shutting water off. and I can do that, I just was seeing if I had options for turning the water on to the rest of the house while working on one shower.
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I can't believe I just wrote all that for nothing.

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Round 2 - New solution:

Tell your plumber to come on the day and give him a two hour window to show up and cap.

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Haha sorry guys, guess I didnt make myself clear enough. Im not adding a shut off valve, not cutting pipes, nothing thats going to alter the existing plumber aside from new fixtures. Mike I understand what you're saying, Im not going into the plumbing aspect of this tear out. I would have a plumber come in for that, regardless or I'd pass on the job.

Just need to cap it off. All my jobs so far have been dry, just putting durock and tile up. This will be the first where I'd have to deal with shutting water off. and I can do that, I just was seeing if I had options for turning the water on to the rest of the house while working on one shower.
Sharkbite caps for temp use are pretty awesome.

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Doing the same thing right now...except a shower is being relocated....the plumber is going to be there the day of the demo to shut off the water, remove/cap/etc the water lines....I am a carpenter, not a plumber...I will rest easy that night knowing that cap or valve isn't going to start leaking.

I, like mike...did everything myself once....and it was more worries then it was worth...

Its not hard, just call your plumber, tell him you need him on scene that day to safe off the plumbing as you demo out the rest.
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if I had to call a plumber every time I needed a line capped, I would probably never gotten off the ground (have to have a REAL good working relationship if you can get a plumber to do a service call for a 5 second job). Read up on the basics, go practice on some copper (and/or CPCV, PEX) till you can sweat a joint (or glue or crimp), man up and get'r done yerself. (don't worry, we all have those "the cap blew off and the house is filling with water" dreams all the time)
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I think you need to know how to do the basics of plumbing just in case you break a line by accident or put a screw through a pipe or something stupid like that.

The plumbing I do is very minimal I try to leave anything major to the dudes who what knows to do it like...right? does that make sense? yeah that makes sense
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Oh so we went through all of that for nothing.

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in jersey it says on our license that it is not one for plumbing and i always use a licensed plumber - never want something to leak and not be liable for it. rip out and re build in three days - must be a powder room. i always plan for a week minimum. dont forget the electric to be brought up to code as well..........

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