Raising A Counter Top - Kitchens & Baths - Contractor Talk

Raising A Counter Top

 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 11-19-2012, 04:50 PM   #1
Pro
 
nwksremodeler's Avatar
 
Trade: a little bit of everything, roofing, windows, doors, kitchen & bath remodels
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 233
Rewards Points: 244

Raising A Counter Top


A customer is dead set on installing a solid wood floor in their kitchen. I have told them that this will cause clearance issues for the dishwasher, stove and refridgerator. Yet they remain adamante that I will make it happen one way or another. The only solution that I have come upon since the cabinets are built ins is to add a spacer between the cabinet and the countertop, and cutting the cabinet above the fridge. But I just have not convinced myself that this is going to look respectable or is truely a good option. Any one got a better idea? The cabinets are maple face frames that were just refinished a year ago so it should not be to hard to match a spacer.
nwksremodeler is offline  

Warning: The topics covered on this site include activities in which there exists the potential for serious injury or death. ContractorTalk.com DOES NOT guarantee the accuracy or completeness of any information contained on this site. Always use proper safety precaution and reference reliable outside sources before attempting any construction or remodeling task!

   

Advertisement

 

Old 11-19-2012, 04:55 PM   #2
master hacker of wood
 
FRAME2FINISH's Avatar
 
Trade: restoration carpentry
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: cny
Posts: 2,487
Rewards Points: 1,730

Re: Raising A Counter Top


Yea rabbet out a wood moulding paint a contrasting color or stain easy peasy make that money

Advertisement

FRAME2FINISH is offline  
Old 11-19-2012, 05:25 PM   #3
Pro
 
Anderson's Avatar
 
Trade: Home improvement contractor
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Wilton,CT
Posts: 996
Rewards Points: 1,196

Re: Raising A Counter Top


whats on the floor now
Anderson is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to Anderson For This Useful Post:
bconley (11-19-2012)
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 11-19-2012, 05:31 PM   #4
Pro
 
bconley's Avatar
 
Trade: Kitchen and bath design+remodel
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Vashon
Posts: 967
Rewards Points: 500

Re: Raising A Counter Top


Quote:
Originally Posted by Anderson View Post
whats on the floor now
Unless the cabinets are set on the subfloor, removing the existing floor will buy you some height and make the other transitions better
__________________

bconley is offline  
Old 11-19-2012, 07:05 PM   #5
Chief Reporter of Spam
 
Tech Dawg's Avatar
 
Trade: Kitchen and Bathroom Remodeling
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Harrisburg, Pennsylvania
Posts: 6,598
Rewards Points: 1,282

Re: Raising A Counter Top


I always find it strange when people are adamant about the one aspect that causes 8 other things to go wrong

I delt with this before while doing a tile floor in a kitchen so they wanted me to make a removeable board with tile set on it and caulked around the edges ilo grout so if the dishwasher needs removed they can cut the caulk and slide it out, all that being said, it was a rental and the landlord is one of my friends
He also had a radiator in which the feed pipes were strapped with no access and wouldn't move up so that section got a piece of Corian glued to the subfloor which made up the exact height of the old floor and was trimmed out with corian at the edges where the tile met up with it.
__________________
Todd
Alone Eagle Remodeling, LLC
Tech Dawg is offline  
Old 11-19-2012, 07:09 PM   #6
Chief Reporter of Spam
 
Tech Dawg's Avatar
 
Trade: Kitchen and Bathroom Remodeling
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Harrisburg, Pennsylvania
Posts: 6,598
Rewards Points: 1,282

Re: Raising A Counter Top


In your situation, I think id pass on the job unless they want a new countertop.
You could raise the cab height with 1/2 or 3/4 wood, set new tops and then use a trim or countertop material to cover the wood strips.
__________________
Todd
Alone Eagle Remodeling, LLC
Tech Dawg is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to Tech Dawg For This Useful Post:
chris klee (11-19-2012)
Old 11-19-2012, 08:35 PM   #7
Pro
 
nwksremodeler's Avatar
 
Trade: a little bit of everything, roofing, windows, doors, kitchen & bath remodels
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 233
Rewards Points: 244

Re: Raising A Counter Top


The current floor is glue down carpet, a 1/4" tall. My guess is that its glued right to the subfloor. The cabinets are also set on the subfloor.
nwksremodeler is offline  
Old 11-19-2012, 10:47 PM   #8
Pro
 
Anderson's Avatar
 
Trade: Home improvement contractor
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Wilton,CT
Posts: 996
Rewards Points: 1,196

Re: Raising A Counter Top


If they have to have it then give them a price to take out all the cabs and reinstale just make sure to tell them any damage will be extra.
Anderson is offline  
Old 11-19-2012, 11:47 PM   #9
Holder of hands
 
skcolo's Avatar
 
Trade: Custom builder/remodeler
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Denver, CO.
Posts: 680
Rewards Points: 500

Re: Raising A Counter Top


I guess you could tell them to buy a new dishwasher and hope for the best.

I just finished a kitchen that was done that way. Lousy cuts around the old cabinets with 3/4" quarterround. Of course, I had to install new cabinets and make it all look good, fix the dishwasher opening so that the dishwasher was level with the floor, and make everything look like the hardwood was not installed after the cabinets.
skcolo is offline  
Old 11-20-2012, 01:34 AM   #10
General Contractor
 
Doctor Handyman's Avatar
 
Trade: General Contractor
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Upland, CA
Posts: 494
Rewards Points: 408

Re: Raising A Counter Top


Not sure what the current opening height is but standard is 34 1/2". Most DW are 33 7/8" so you normally have a 5/8" clearance. Assuming solid strip flooring is 3/4" your shy just an 1/8".

If they are adamant about wood flooring I would discuss with them that wood and water environments don't play well together. Perhaps an engineered wood flooring that is 3/8"-1/2" thick is available in a style they like. Or better yet the new wood look tiles but by the time you do cbu's your back to 5/8-3/4" again.

Easiest approach would be an ADA compliant DW that is typically 32 1/2". Made by most manufacturers. Second outside the box option is a single DW drawer.

Let us know what you end up doing.
Doctor Handyman is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to Doctor Handyman For This Useful Post:
Metro M & L (11-20-2012)
Old 11-20-2012, 05:55 AM   #11
Focusing on solutions.
 
pinwheel's Avatar
 
Trade: hardwood floor contractor & so much more
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Missouri
Posts: 5,082
Rewards Points: 66

Re: Raising A Counter Top


Quote:
Originally Posted by Anderson View Post
If they have to have it then give them a price to take out all the cabs and reinstale just make sure to tell them any damage will be extra.

You've obviously never messed with built in cabinets built in the 70's. You're option, is not an option.

If I'm not mistaken, they now make dishwashers just for this situation.
pinwheel is offline  
Old 11-20-2012, 06:11 AM   #12
The Duke
 
Kent Whitten's Avatar
 
Trade: Cabinet Maker
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Portland, Maine
Posts: 14,746
Rewards Points: 2,040

Re: Raising A Counter Top


Quote:
Originally Posted by nwksremodeler
The current floor is glue down carpet, a 1/4" tall. My guess is that its glued right to the subfloor. The cabinets are also set on the subfloor.
Solid wood floor over carpet? Did I miss something?
__________________
If you correct your mind, the rest of your life will fall into place ~Lao Tzu

SalmonFallsCabinetry.com

Salmon Falls Cabinetry on Facebook
Kent Whitten is offline  
Old 11-20-2012, 06:42 AM   #13
Chief Reporter of Spam
 
Tech Dawg's Avatar
 
Trade: Kitchen and Bathroom Remodeling
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Harrisburg, Pennsylvania
Posts: 6,598
Rewards Points: 1,282

Re: Raising A Counter Top


There's no way to know any measurements until the tearout is complete. The customer has to be willing to deal with any solution in that situation
__________________
Todd
Alone Eagle Remodeling, LLC
Tech Dawg is offline  
Old 11-20-2012, 07:53 AM   #14
Pro
 
rrk's Avatar
 
Trade: remodeling
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: new jersey
Posts: 5,911
Rewards Points: 2,636

Re: Raising A Counter Top


There are many dishwashers that will fit in that situation, I did a kitchenaid a few months back that I was sure would not go but it did. I know a bosch wont fit.

Some of them have long front feet which allows for clearance, my plumber sometimes removes the feet and installs bolts from the opposite direction and slips a piece of flattened pipe under the bolt. Getting them out he just cuts the feet off or cuts the frame.

3/4" is not a problem most of the time, he has run into problems when the hardwood is installed over vinyl.
rrk is offline  
Old 11-20-2012, 11:50 AM   #15
Superior Firepower
 
skyhook's Avatar
 
Trade: GC HVAC/R Lic. since 1985
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: 3,077' above sea level
Posts: 5,089
Rewards Points: 3,880
Lightbulb

Re: Raising A Counter Top


Quote:
Originally Posted by nwksremodeler View Post
A customer is dead set on installing a solid wood floor in their kitchen.
I have told them that this will cause clearance issues for the dishwasher, stove and refridgerator.
Yet they remain adamante that I will make it happen one way or another.
Reminds me of a quote by Zig Ziglar,
Quote:
You can get everything you want if you just give people what they want.
skyhook is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to skyhook For This Useful Post:
Kent Whitten (11-20-2012)
Old 11-28-2012, 05:39 PM   #16
Pro
 
B.D.R.'s Avatar
 
Trade: renovation carpenter
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Nanaimo BC
Posts: 1,556
Rewards Points: 1,990

Re: Raising A Counter Top


Fir up the top of the cabinets with 3/4 plywood and add a trim detail. same colour, or contrasting . People may look at it and go" WOW". Maybe not.
B.D.R. is offline  
Old 12-15-2012, 06:16 PM   #17
Pro
 
charimon's Avatar
 
Trade: Tile and Tool junkie
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Omaha NE
Posts: 1,857
Rewards Points: 1,168

Re: Raising A Counter Top


Have them buy a NEW dishwasher and have it installed, by the time it goes bad they will be ready for new countertops anyway. Besides taking the countertops off now to raise them is no more work than taking the countertops off later to remove and replace the washer.

Advertisement

__________________
"The key is to allow only the complexity that the customer is willing to pay for."
charimon is offline  


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
open minded customer likes counter top idea but not sure if it will work Randal Kitchens & Baths 3 11-28-2011 03:31 PM
Counter flashing chimney ? enforcer Roofing 22 11-09-2011 02:55 AM
Advise for counter top LeoMajor Kitchens & Baths 7 08-22-2010 03:27 PM
Replacing counter top Cjeff General Discussion 5 07-14-2010 07:46 PM
Counter Top Old Crow Remodeling 6 03-23-2010 04:51 PM

Join Now... It's Fast and FREE!

I am a professional contractor
I am a DIY Homeowner
Drywall Talk is for
PROFESSIONAL CONTRACTORS ONLY!

At DrywallTalk.com we cater exlusivly to professional contractors who make their living as a contractor. Knowing that many homeowners and DIYers are looking for a community to call home, we've created www.DIYChatroom.com DIY Chatroom is full of helpful advices and perfect for DIY homeowners.

Redirecing in 10 seconds
No Thanks
terms of service

Already Have an Account?