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Old 10-23-2017, 06:01 AM   #1
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hey veteran home builders and re-modelers. im updating a small bathroom and despite the limited amount of space i have to work with, my customer insits on a ponywall as a division between the new shower build and the toilet. im doing the 'open concept' style and trying to save a few inches here n there, i suggested a glass shower partition. hell no, instead of a full lenth piece of gls (shower curb to ceiling), they want a ponywall and attached on top half of this wall, half a glass shower partItion. client is king though. can i frame this on top of shower pan curb using 2 by 3 's vs 2by4 and tile on shower side, backr and wainscoting on toilet side? pls help fellas. the existing partition wall that i demo-ed had a 2by2 bottom plate with 2by4 studs turned 90 dgrs so positioned flat and flush with both bottom and top plates. the tradesman before obviously had space concienetious on mind as well. thx,
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What are you using for your shower curb?

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I may not be envisioning this properly but it sounds like the pony wall could be a bit unstable
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I may not be envisioning this properly but it sounds like the pony wall could be a bit unstable
We have done a lot of them but we use Schluter products for our shower so it's just a 2x4 framed wall the goes down to the subfloor.

The shower curb runs from the end of the half wall to the other wall unless it's curbless and then no curb anyway.
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Bond 2 pieces of 1-1/2" Kerdi Board together.

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If you're going to frame it with 2x, make sure you run your end stud down through the subfloor to a block between the joists

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Bond 2 pieces of 1-1/2" Kerdi Board together.

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I only got to use those a little at the training thing I went to last week, how sturdy are they once set?

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What are you using for your shower curb?
(3) 2x4 treated nailed togeather, panliner , then wrapped with 1/4 in. hardibckr, thinset float, fibertape on joints, redgard membrane
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Some go with threaded rod anchored down to the floor. It will help but with kneewalls leverage is going against you. If possible I make the wall wider like 2x6 and always run the top 2x on the wall into the intersecting wall for some extra anchors. Waterproof intersection well. One jarring hit........

Some corner shelves or bench maybe help the cause.

Another thing I recently did was bury a Steel deck post in the outer end of a kneewall. I found a 2" square shaft post that I centered between my wall studs. I pocket screwed a 3/4" x 14.5" plywood skin over the post and in between my studs. Very stiff.
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I read this as 3 questions. Can I frame this on the flat - yes. Can I frame this using 2X3s - yes. Both are allowed by code. I'd recommend gluing all joints, and all joints need to be tight. I'd also recommend glue when you skin it over, it will improve the stiffness.

The third question is how do I keep the pony wall from moving too easily? This is the same situation as installing a newell post - any of those will work.

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