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Old 10-31-2015, 10:45 PM   #1
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What tools (assuming electronic/laser) do counter top shops use to take measurements onsite, then replicate in the shop. I had a friend who got tops at HD and said they used something to record positions (curves and bows in the wall and corner points) and then the new tops were almost a perfect fit when installed.
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Counter top guys I used for my Soapstone tops did this.

They set up a box at the end of the bar top and plotted points.

Went back to the shop and the data was inputted in to a CNC machine.

Tops arrived and looked like a scribe fit off the truck.

Seems to be what the pro guys are using now days.

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Our guys come in with a laser connected to a tablet that's all set on a tripod.

They plot a variety of points and it completes the lines. They have to use their eyes and straight edges to determine where to shoot the laser.

Then back to the shop where the CAD guy turns it into readable info for the CNC and it cuts it. A pretty sweet operation.

Now if we can just get them to start attaching the sinks... last two jobs the sinks just about fell out. Growing pains can be hard.
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Out of 1/8" PVC sheet cut approximately 3" wide strips, to build templates. Once set in place you just squirt some solvent between the pieces, wait a couple of minutes and you have perfect physical templates. The PVC snaps very easily after a slice with a knife. Once a square is built, it is strong in the dimensions where it needs to be.

I have seen guys build them out of wood, but it won't be as strong, and they are at high risk of the staples or other fasteners allowing movement.

Otherwise a pencil and some paper with a tape measure take care of the rest. Lots of pictures help too.
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What tools (assuming electronic/laser) do counter top shops use to take measurements onsite, then replicate in the shop.
By far the two most common:

http://www.laserproductsus.com/produ...ser-templator/

http://blog.prodim-systems.com/

I have used the above, and they work well - the proliner I liked better - but the Disto3D is my favorite because it is geared to so much more than just the countertop industry:

http://www.leica-geosystems.us/en/Le...isto_94606.htm
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By far the two most common:

http://www.laserproductsus.com/produ...ser-templator/

http://blog.prodim-systems.com/

I have used the above, and they work well - the proliner I liked better - but the Disto3D is my favorite because it is geared to so much more than just the countertop industry:

http://www.leica-geosystems.us/en/Le...isto_94606.htm
Very cool. I knew they could map caves in 3D, but didn't know they were able to get measurements accurate enough to do counter tops etc.

Even though I was one of the early adopters of laser measuring, I guess I am far behind the times now. (Note: I don't do counter tops for a living.)
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One granite shop I use uses the fancy laser system and the guy I use the most use 1/4" Luan cut into 3"wide strips that are then hot glued together.
To be honest I can't tell the difference in finial product and they both take about just as long to template.
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I use drywall shim and hot glue for my templates, quick, easy and very accurate.

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One granite shop I use uses the fancy laser system and the guy I use the most use 1/4" Luan cut into 3"wide strips that are then hot glued together.
To be honest I can't tell the difference in finial product and they both take about just as long to template.
That's absolutely true. It takes about the same amount of site time.

The advantage with the laser is that the information is instantly stored as a .dxf file that is ready to feed into a CNC machine. Most fabricators around here email the file back to the shop from the job site as soon as they're done.

No transporting of templates, which sometimes get unwieldy on large kitchens, or damaged in transport.

Physical templates would still need to be digitized at the shop, adding another step and opportunity for error.

If a shop is not using CNC equipment, probably not a significant advantage to the digital templating.
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Another advantage to the laser system is that they are able to take their measurements with existing tops in place, for jobs that aren't replacing cabinetry.
It's nice to be able to plan the removal of old tops a day before installation without having that extended down time for the client's kitchen waiting on fabrication.
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What do some of these laser systems cost?
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What do some of these laser systems cost?
You can find them used for about 4500-7500, some of them.

New, 10K on up

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