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Old 01-13-2011, 01:24 PM   #41
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I dont know how it is possible to hang, finish and sand drywall in 1 day. All the other stuff I could see if you really planned well for a 1 week kitchen. Even paint you have dry time in between coats. I am young and can't hold a candle to some of the experience on this thread, but....c'mon
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Old 01-13-2011, 01:29 PM   #42
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Ryan Homes' pay is pretty ****ty. I have never done cabinets for them, but what were they paying for townhouse kitchen install? We used to do the shower doors, shelving, mirrors, bath accessories and a safety rail. This package was typically between $400 to $900 depending on the model. That is material and labor
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That don't make me bad Berg. Everyone was doing it. It was the only way. You have to understand back from 99 to 2003 Las Vegas was closing over 500 sales each and every day. For every house built there were 100 buyers begging to sell it to them. Homes were increasing in value 10% per month. People were putting a $1000 deposit on a $20,000 lot on phase 2 and in 4 months when the builder released phase 2 the lot value doubled. The buyer would sell his lot back to the builder for near $40K for his $1000 investment in just 4 months.

This Las Vegas building boom was unprecedented in America and will never happen again. Builders were blowing these homes up faster then you can count. What I described was the norm for crap builders like KB homes and Beazer but most quality builders we worked with such as Pulte and Toll Bros was more like 6 to 8 weeks. The whole boom was a money grab and we all made a whole lot of money. If I told you what I and the rest of us made installing cabinets during this period you'd say I was lying and exaggerating so I won't. It is staggering though.

You don't have to worry about my quality. My past clients reads like a who's who in America. All that was tract housing and apartment units which we blew out like a robot. If any of us slowed down to think about quality we would get thrown out the door. That's not to say that all the installations were crap but they were far from custom homes.

I am not saying you are bad at all. What I am saying is that as time pressure increases quality tends to be the victim. Making money is great as long as you don't sacrifice your conscience along the way.
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I started off earlier in this thread as one of the guys who broke the 6-8 week barrier on this question. Over the last two days I've watched this turn into a circus. I'm not ashamed of how long this would take me. Here in the North Shore of Chicago we never got into this crazy frenetic pace that the rest of the markets did in Vegas or wherever. I was happy to have 10 solid years of steady work.

I've worked with some pretty amazing crews in my time. Carpenters that knew it all and were smokin' fast. Guys that I would mentor after. We surrounded ourselves with the best plumbers, sparkys and tin bangers. Guys that were good, but also took the time to lay out a tarp to put down their tools. We wear booties in a HOs house. They cleaned up and spoke politely to the HO. If we scratched a floor or cabinet it was rare. We busted ass but didn't kill each other over it. We also give each other room and don't all try to fit into a 13 x15 foot kitchen at the same time.

There is a sequence to how a kitchen comes together. The cabinets while still framing thing is a totally different animal. That's just nuts. I stand by my original estimate. I bid a job and take everything into account. It is what it is, and I make a living at it. The bidding is harder in this market but that's a different discussion.
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I started off earlier in this thread as one of the guys who broke the 6-8 week barrier on this question. Over the last two days I've watched this turn into a circus. I'm not ashamed of how long this would take me. Here in the North Shore of Chicago we never got into this crazy frenetic pace that the rest of the markets did in Vegas or wherever. I was happy to have 10 solid years of steady work.

I've worked with some pretty amazing crews in my time. Carpenters that knew it all and were smokin' fast. Guys that I would mentor after. We surrounded ourselves with the best plumbers, sparkys and tin bangers. Guys that were good, but also took the time to lay out a tarp to put down their tools. We wear booties in a HOs house. They cleaned up and spoke politely to the HO. If we scratched a floor or cabinet it was rare. We busted ass but didn't kill each other over it. We also give each other room and don't all try to fit into a 13 x15 foot kitchen at the same time.

There is a sequence to how a kitchen comes together. The cabinets while still framing thing is a totally different animal. That's just nuts. I stand by my original estimate. I bid a job and take everything into account. It is what it is, and I make a living at it. The bidding is harder in this market but that's a different discussion.
Your work description to me sounds like somebody I'd want to work with, it sounds like a sustainable pace for being around for a long time in this business.
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Ryan Homes' pay is pretty ****ty. I have never done cabinets for them, but what were they paying for townhouse kitchen install? We used to do the shower doors, shelving, mirrors, bath accessories and a safety rail. This package was typically between $400 to $900 depending on the model. That is material and labor

Yeah I only did a few for Ryan and that was why . pay was to low . Back then I had a few local based builders doing the same time frame as Ryan . Pay was much better and like I said ....they made you make money . I didn't finish a 1st trim on their time schedule once . They rolled right over me . Never let it happen again . Another problem I had with Ryan was their pay schedule . They basically wanted you to be their bank . I think it was 45 days back then and never on time . I didn't like that one bit . Local guys were on a 2 week pay schedule . Now it's 14 days from the showrooms for cabinet installs for me and 30 days from the builders . I can live with that.
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We do private kitchens remodels that compare to your example. I would say 4weeks. Probably little less if your not doing a complete demo and using existing electric (which I don't recommend).
We also do work for DIY and HGTV, I've done 50 kitchens for the last 4 years and we do full demo kitchen "soups to nuts" in 12days! Long hours. So there's both sides of the spectrum. Top quality also.

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We also do work for DIY and HGTV, I've done 50 kitchens for the last 4 years and we do full demo kitchen "soups to nuts" in 12days! Long hours. So there's both sides of the spectrum. Top quality also.

So the DIY network doesn't really do it themselves? I am shocked and shaken to my very core....it's like when my grandpa told me that proffesional wrestling was fake
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That size kitchen normally 2 weeks max. Normally we are waiting on the granite guy (he is backed up-- companies fly him around the world he is that good) He does some amazing work. Now that time table gets bumped if stuff has to start moving.... So get a pace that you work well at leave it there. I have done some kitchens really fast but those are 14-15 hour days. ( Have to say one thing-- I have never done a kitchen were they wanted tile. So the hardwood floors I do take less time then tile obviously)
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Some of the time frames being discussed here a simply ridiculous. An average full gut kitchen takes us at least four to six weeks. It's stupid to try to rush through a kitchen project. Is anybody pulling permits? What do you guys have everyone trippin over each other? All the granite fabricators in this area are 7 to 14 days from template to install. What about new hardwood flooring? Three coats of poly is three days! What are you guys smokin?
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Some of the time frames being discussed here a simply ridiculous. An average full gut kitchen takes us at least four to six weeks. It's stupid to try to rush through a kitchen project. Is anybody pulling permits? What do you guys have everyone trippin over each other? All the granite fabricators in this area are 7 to 14 days from template to install. What about new hardwood flooring? Three coats of poly is three days! What are you guys smokin?
Crack, apparently my friend. I've heard some pretty crazy timelines on here. I have only done custom, so I don't know how fast they put them in at KB homes, or any other trac homes, but 4 to 6 or even 7 or 8 is on par for ours. JAW
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On the other hand, I can see a specialty company doing bathrooms and kitchens in 2 or 3 weeks, that makes sense. If your systems are finally tuned and you have the right staff, a lot of things are possible. But I know I will never complete a custom kitchen in a week. Not saying its not possible, just not possible for me. JAW
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I would like some info from all of you out there. I'm trying to get an idea of length of time most of take to remodel a kitchen. My son keeps beating himself up on how long we take to finish. I know it all depends on a lot of factors, so I'll present a sample kitchen. 13x15. Install new cabinets, crown molding, and light rail remove existing soffet and patch. Install new tile floor.
Remove three foot wall (non bearing), that separates the kitchen from the breakfast room. Not much plumbing change. Same with electric just add 6 can lights. New granite countertop and tile backsplash. I know each one is different. I'm just trying to get a rough estimate of average time if the customer would want a time frame from you.
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I've done kitchen remodels that have taken 3 weeks but that's usually for a smaller remodel / less labor intensive. I've also had some that take 7 to 8 weeks for higher end remodels that are totally being redone. i'd say about 5 would be a safe bet for what you're doing
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Umh... 6 year old thread...

He probably figured it out by now...
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Umh... 6 year old thread...

He probably figured it out by now...
unless everybody was wrong with their time estimates and it actually took him 6 years
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8 weeks sounds reasonable. Regarding granite lead times. Our lead time, for example, is about 7 days max. After a client chooses the stone, we schedule template appointment in 2-3 business days. Our expert designer will then measure the client's countertop and do the templating. If we are going to install the granite, we do the fabrication in our facility and install the granite countertop at client's location one week after templating is done. Granite lead time will depend on the fabricator. Also, make sure the client is positive on the kind of granite he/she wants.
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8 weeks sounds reasonable. Regarding granite lead times. Our lead time, for example, is about 7 days max. After a client chooses the stone, we schedule template appointment in 2-3 business days. Our expert designer will then measure the client's countertop and do the templating. If we are going to install the granite, we do the fabrication in our facility and install the granite countertop at client's location one week after templating is done. Granite lead time will depend on the fabricator. Also, make sure the client is positive on the kind of granite he/she wants.
7 weeks from invoice to install last time I bought granite. That's with another customer canceling to get me bumped up.

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