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Old 10-28-2012, 09:07 PM   #81
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roughly 80 to 90 man hours to assemble and install with about 80% of that time in the assembly
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i just dont get this thread, sell crap"ikea" or sell quality. i cost 3-4x ikea cabinets, sell to the right pepole. forget the rest.
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roughly 80 to 90 man hours to assemble and install with about 80% of that time in the assembly
Thanks. Including island uppers and skinning uppers & lowers & installing skinny trim crown on uppers & shoe, I had 14 man hours putting the boxes in.

If someone were willing to pay me what I figure is fair assembly time, I'd do it. I don't see how it would prove economical for the consumer, but then, what people like, is what they like.

God bless 'em all if they spend their money with me though!
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If someone were willing to pay me what I figure is fair assembly time, I'd do it. I don't see how it would prove economical for the consumer, but then, what people like, is what they like.

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Do you fix your own car when it's broke ? Ikea kitchen cabinets rock, I have read all the above post and yes I can see your frustration, My company has done over 3400 ikea kitchens , our customers love them, from small jobs to huge jobs. why deal with the pain of assembling and installing your self, A good contractor that knows the ikea system can truly be a great friend to you. We can do a kitchen in one or two days, Im talking demo and installing the new cabinets, after that it's up to your counter top guy , then appliances. if planed correct you can be done in one week with demo,install, counters,appliances and paint, then you simply enjoy your new kitchen. Let a pro do your install, They need to be installed plumb, level and square. the finished product is awesome, I know because thats what we do. contract a pro and enjoy your experience.
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I find IKEA is fine for the price. Sure it is press board, however i've seen some over ten years old (at least) and still in good condition, no failures of any kind. The rail system and levelling legs make them pretty simple to install. If the budget is limited then why not.

I've put a few in, for an average sized kitchen i'd say 2-3 days with a couple installers-assembly and installation, including putting in the sink, and all hardware.
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Elegant looks and cheaper prices, that's what attracts customers towards IKEA, but you may find many who are dissatisfied with the durability of these imported cabinets. For me its always best to spend a bit more on quality products..
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Might be putting together 55'' vanity today. Going to be suspended on wall. Will have four 2x4 studs to anchor to.

Guess I'll get one more cup of coffee and go back and read this thread to see what to expect.
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Might be putting together 55'' vanity today. Going to be suspended on wall. Will have four 2x4 studs to anchor to.

Guess I'll get one more cup of coffee and go back and read this thread to see what to expect.
I put one it my bathroom, it was beyond easy so long as you follow the instructions to a t and don't skip any steps...but that being said the assembly took me forever.
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Although you may not like the idea of Ikea and its build quality, the Swedes have engineered cabinets to last, they have 20 year guarantee on last time I looked, no other manufacturer offers this.
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Well, I opened the boxes, looked at all the parts, looked at the time and decided I'd be better off starting first thing Monday morning.

Plus there is no back on the cabinet. It's to be hung on the wall. A lot more work to do now. I wish I would have seen the specs before now.
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What I find shocking is the ignorance on this thread masquerading as knowledge. First, the objection to IKEA cabinets being made of particleboard and MDF instead of solid wood or plywood. I hate to tell you, but that dang wood grows on trees, as such, unless it is chopped into little pieces and reformed, it will twist and bow. Particleboard and MDF are much more dimensionally stable than plywood and wood. Stability is critical to a quality cabinet.

What's the beef with the cam-lock fasteners? They work great and hold just fine. Plastic feet? Have you ever had to shim base cabinets? What a PIA. With IKEA, you dial the foot to perfection. This is fast and fast means more money for you.

Yeah, you've got to assemble them. Big deal, charge for it. You've got to unbox pre-assembled cabinets, they take up a ton of space, and you've got to take the doors off to hang 'em anyway. Where's all this labor savings? Haul away all that cardboard too.

The quality of the metal drawer boxes and hardware is outstanding. Those metal boxes have coved corners for much easier cleaning. I've never seen that in the most high-end custom cabinet.

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Well there is one cowboy in favor of Ikea Cabinets.
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taking doors off pre-assembled cabinets is not tantamount to assembling the Ikea stuff, not by a long shot (and Ikea come in boxes too, lots and lots of boxes).

the quality is not the issue, TIME is the issue - and when you compare cost of pre-assembled cabinets with relatively quick installation (read: relatively low labor cost) and the cost of Ikea ready-to-assemble cabinets (which are NOT inexpensive) with the copious amount of time/labor required to assemble an Ikea kitchen (read: relatively high labor cost), it boils down to much greater cost to build an Ikea kitchen, so yeah, you charge for it, but price IS an issue with many if not most homeowners and I don't see any comparison based on cost/quality,,, if the aesthetics are what settles it, then go for it,,,Ikea cabinets looks very nice when installation is complete, just not price competitive IMO
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Sweebs:

What you're overlooking is the learning curve. Of course the first time or two you assemble knock-down cabinets, it may not be cost-effective, however, once you learn the system the labor cost to assemble drops by 75% or so.

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taking doors off pre-assembled cabinets is not tantamount to assembling the Ikea stuff, not by a long shot (and Ikea come in boxes too, lots and lots of boxes).

the quality is not the issue, TIME is the issue - and when you compare cost of pre-assembled cabinets with relatively quick installation (read: relatively low labor cost) and the cost of Ikea ready-to-assemble cabinets (which are NOT inexpensive) with the copious amount of time/labor required to assemble an Ikea kitchen (read: relatively high labor cost), it boils down to much greater cost to build an Ikea kitchen, so yeah, you charge for it, but price IS an issue with many if not most homeowners and I don't see any comparison based on cost/quality,,, if the aesthetics are what settles it, then go for it,,,Ikea cabinets looks very nice when installation is complete, just not price competitive IMO
I have built customs and installed hundreds of the finest "pre-assembled" cabinets that are available. Siematic, Aran Cucine, Poggen Pohl.

I would say this qualifies me as THE worlds preeminent EXPERT on this issue.

In terms of VALUE......based on aesthetics, range of options, functionality, and durability (when installed properly); Ikea wins .....hands down.

A good designer/installer can slice and dice them to meet ANY awkward space considerations.
They can be assembled to last as long as most pre-assembled cabs available. A decent helper can be building cabs while the lead is laying out....etc.
Ease of install is on par with all Euro style, which is by far the fastest system...hanging rails, adjustable feet, etc. Filler, kick, panel, and trim options are exceptional.
Range of accessories is excellent. Drawer inserts, pull-outs, countertops, integral sinks...etc, etc.
All the cabs and accessories are incredibly affordable.

Basically, the MINIMAL rise in installation cost is dwarfed by the affordability of the cabs, the range and quality of design options, and flexibility of the system. A complete, seamless package that can be made to look very luxurious and "high-end".... on a meager budget.

I think we can consider the issue settled now.
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i just dont get this thread, sell crap"ikea" or sell quality. i cost 3-4x ikea cabinets, sell to the right pepole. forget the rest.
My aim as a craftsman is to provide my client the BEST possible result for their dollar. For many people, the 400% cost increase in cabs means they would have to skimp on every other aspect of a kitchen remodel.

For the customer on a budget, Ikea offers the possibility of good cabs....with money left over to make the entire kitchen beautiful.

IMO, that's better than nice cabs sitting in the middle of crap floors, lighting, tops, etc. etc.

But making cabs is not my bread and butter. I can def see why you would feel this way.
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What I find shocking is the ignorance on this thread masquerading as knowledge. First, the objection to IKEA cabinets being made of particleboard and MDF instead of solid wood or plywood. I hate to tell you, but that dang wood grows on trees, as such, unless it is chopped into little pieces and reformed, it will twist and bow. Particleboard and MDF are much more dimensionally stable than plywood and wood. Stability is critical to a quality cabinet.
In my experience plywood is much more impact resistant than MDF or particleboard which is pretty important on a euro style frame vs. a solid wood face frame. I also won't use MDF in any wet locations. Particle board and plywood will both be damaged by moisture but MDF is much worse. Kitchen have a lot of leak potential.

I don't like the plastic feet(especially with a heavy counter top) but I do like that you can just drop a plywood frame for the cabinets to sit on rather than the feet. It offers more even support and is, in my opinion. easier than leveling each cabinet individually.
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The $4500 comparison earlier in this thread from the Ikea kitchen I put in a client's home and the $4500 pre-assembled Kraftmade kitchen is my basis for criticizing the time it requires for assembly of Ikea stuff - there was hundreds and hundreds of small parts, with I think 12 pieces to assemble/install for each base cabinet just for the feet! Compare this to zero pieces to assemble/install for traditional base cabinets (yes you have to shim, but Ikea you have to adjust the feet) and you don't end up with relatively flimsy plastic feet that are really challenged imo carrying the weight of a granite counter top. The picture I posted shows a missing upper cab door that was waiting to be installed because the nearest Ikea store is 160 miles away making this an order and wait for the mail issue. If it were a standard cabinet, a simple trip to Lowes would've taken care of that,,,

all in all, I just end up installing what the customer wants, cuz he who writes the check is boss
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i have bought and installed about 40 kitchens from Ikea. I was never really sure about there doors and hardware, but they changed to wood about 5years ago and they have really improved the quality. They assemble easy, great clever designs. I did change some of the older model mdf doors and drawers because they go a lil beat up.

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