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Old 06-07-2011, 12:30 AM   #61
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Recently put my 3rd kitchen together with Ikea. Not my favorite but I will give them this they used all BLUM for hardware.
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Old 06-07-2011, 12:37 AM   #62
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Slapped together a clearanced home depot kitchen in a small remodel. $500 for all the carcases/doors.

Don't know how similiar they are, but they are cheap for sure. On the uppers they use basically a cardboard backer set into a dado. With 1/2 x 3 k3 backing strips. All turn cam's and dowels. End result looked really good for $500, there's no competition at that price range.

Frankly, if I saw that type of cabinet in a mid-range, to higher end home. I'd be looking over everything to see where else they cheaped out.


But it does sound like Ikea has a bit nicer product.

I recently assembled 4 office desks for a site office trailer. Took about 1.5 hr's per desk, and that was as fast as I could go, assembled 3 at once. Somewhere around 45 steps

I hate all their stupid chinsy hardware, I really missed my nail guns/kreg jig on that one.

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Great thread and good to see all the opinions. I have put in a few IKEA kitchens and as mentioned before...it is all about the quality of the install.

I find the knock down construction comments interesting. Any cabinet is just a bunch of boards before it is put together. Its just a matter of where it is actually put together. I have put in plenty of cabs from name brand lines that are particle board as well as plywood boxes. If you take the time to put the IKEA cabs together they are just fine and will hold up well. Put my first one in about 8-9 years ago and its still going strong.

There is a lot of talk about the price point of the home. Dont discount public perception. I have talked with realtors about this quite a bit as well as architects. There are people requesting these cabinets on houses over 1 million in areas like Seattle, etc. Many people now consider these to be good cabinets and since they use the high end hardware when people open and close them the are very happy with them.

I wouldnt be so quick to knock them if you havent even spent the time to try one out. Your next client could really like them and the savings they get could allow them to do the larger remodel you make your money on.

Just my .02 from experience with them.
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All I know is Ikea light fixtures are the worst. Most do not come with mounting hardware and they use screws and nuts that are neither standard nor metric. And they always have weird, made up Scandinavian names like Faart and kweef.
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My kitchen is Mills pride and it is a great kitchen for the price. I have also installed ikea and it does have some quirks. I don't like the base white cabinets as the melamine fillers always seems to chip slightly and you cant edge it with vinyl that is color matched. I like the levelers but the kicks are junk.

The new Home Depot flat pack is junk as the cams are different and dont hold as good.

Here in BC we are getting alot of Chinese cabinets. They are imported as flats but assembled here and resold as boxes.
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My old friend in Paris has European style kitchen cabinets that are thought of quality furniture in an apartment/condo that are different than the U.S. products. Some are IKEA and there are other based on the same concept. They are totally modular and hung on the walls and have bases with leveling legs to adapt to any space. When you move to a new place, you can always get an extra matching module in the size necessary. If you buy a place that has permanent cabinets, you may get it cheaper because people know you may have to get rid of your old cabinets somehow.

Not what you see in the U.S. and definitely not as cheap as U.S. cabinets because they follow the owner from home to home and can be added on to.

just a different way of doing things.
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I use their boxes and Blum Tandembox drawers as the basic building block for every kitchen I do. The baggie full of cam-lock "stuff" goes straight in the garbage; the boxes are glued and screwed together and I staple the backs on.

I can't buy Blum Tandembox components from Richielieu (my wholesaler here in Edmonton), then make the bottoms/backs, and then assemble them, for cheaper than just buying the knock-down Tandembox kits. Custom box sizes/applications do get custom sized Tandembox units but I try to stick to 12,15,18,21,24,30,36 as much as is practically possible when designing my kitchens.

They (IKEA) do have you "on the hook" for softclosing drawers as their Tandembox dampers are a propriatory product (manufactured by Blum, directly for IKEA) and cannot be purchased anywhere else...believe me, I've looked.

I routinely cut down the cabinet box components to customize box sizes as required. The MCP is 19mm thick and the edgebanding is not cheap "iron-on"; it's all been edgebanded (~1.5mm thick PVC) on a proper automated hot glue machine.

One little kink is the way they do their line boring. If you buy your hinges wholesale, you will need to buy Blum's 28/32 setback ("cruciform") mounting plates to work on their boxes.

Bottom line?

I simply cannot manufacture comparable cabinet boxes for anywhere close to the price of just buying them.
But then again, I do not own an Altendorf sliding table panel saw, Holzher automated edgebander or CNC line boring equipment either...

I always use their "plastic feet" and I also use their suspension rail system on long upper runs. Once you've worked with it a few times, their rail system is the cats *ss for a one man install of tall uppers. I turn the steel mounting plates 90 degrees and screw them into the upper shelf with #8 x 1" particleboard screws so that the weight is bearing down on them, not as a sideways "sheer" force.

I have only done a couple of kitchens with their doors/drawerfronts ("Lillestad"-White Oak/dark chocolate spray stain; "Adel"-Birch/browny-orange spray stain) and was not impressed (in the least) with this aspect of their line. After sales service was not an issue, the defective items were exchanged without question; but it still involved numerous trips back to the store to replace warped/deffectively finished pieces.

In almost all cases, I outsource my cabinet doors (wholesale, manufacturer direct, unfinished) and I manufacture/finish all of my full height gables, fillers, lightrail, top trim, plinth and custom components.

And nobody would call one of my kitchens "cheap"...not by a long shot.

As a matter of fact, I'm going to sign one that is just south of 40K this weekend...the IKEA store will get about 12% of that...mostly for drawers/rollouts, as there are tons of them in this particular job.

That's my "IKEA" story.
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Last kitchen I did we used the RTA store. Cabinets turned out great and the owner loved the look... It was the flat front Bamboo doors and if you glue and screw before mounting they feel like they'll last a long time. Customer went with Silestone counter tops. To do the kitchen with their Home Depot price cabs would have cost $18,000. RTA store they spent $6,000. They did get a discount for cheap delivery but even with that they saved a ton. I'll say that if you're in a home for more than 20 years you'd think of a new kitchen. These I would say can last that 20 yrs. Get your harware from Ikea and spend your cab money here is what I recommend.
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Ikea cabinets are basic presswood cabinets. Its fine to use them so long as you understand that. They are fairly on the low end as far as pricing and quality goes.
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we just finished a house a couple weeks ago that got a ikea kitchen... its a first for us.. the homeowner hired someone else to install them..

they looked alright... the issue that came into play was the provided trim.. it didnt work so the installers made their own with raw mdf. the fridge gable end didnt work either so they had to make one out of mdf.. how the hell do you match the finish in situations like this...

all i know is im not sold on it
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Ikea swedish for particle board.
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We used high gloss white Ikea cabinets for the first time this year at home rehab project I was surprised it turned out so well I hope they are as durable as they look! The cost was approx 30% less than any other place in my area
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Ikea tends to be good design and not so good durability. The kitchens are designed to be taken with you when you move, so it's a different ball game than in the US.
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Ikea tends to be good design and not so good durability. The kitchens are designed to be taken with you when you move, so it's a different ball game than in the US.
I know...that is so weird. I wonder about the plumbing left.

Can you imagine the look on the face of an unsuspecting buyer? "where the **** is my kitchen?"

I just don't get it. What about the counters? It's just odd.
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I know...that is so weird. I wonder about the plumbing left.
You preferably bring the plumbing out of the wall and cap it all when the kitchen is out.

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I just don't get it. What about the counters? It's just odd.
Counters go, too. These are usually small kitchens by US standards. Although small, they can be more useable than a larger one, mostly due to the accessories available.

For renters, I guess it's nice to know you cooking stuff will fit in the apartment you're moving to....I dunno.
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I'm fr.o.m. Sweden and you don't take kitchen with you when you move. In Denmark you do that.

Unfortantly Ikea brained washed everybody here and they look only at the price.
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Price and the style - I imagine you have a lot more choices where you are
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Whenever I walk through Ikea I look at the cabinets. They do look cheap in a way that they are put together kind of flimsy, they just look suspicious. I hate to be closed minded though, I might try Ikea cabinets but I would have to look into them further. If a customer wants cheap cabinets, American Woodmark at Home Depot is a good choice. I've done two kitchens with them, for the price you get some nice cabinets.

I am a fan of their furniture. I was shopping for a kitchen butcher block, Ikea sold them for $100 to $200. I compared them to Sears which were about $600 to $700. The ones at Ikea are nicer too, they just look nicer, more practical, more modern. Although you have to be careful putting them together, I had a shelf fall off a piece of Ikea furniture. Partially my fault because I didn't put my nails in the right spot on the back panel. But the shelf was made with the pegs on the front instead of on the sides, so the shelf just barely sits on there. You have to be careful assembling them, they are designed with just enough meat to hold them together.
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fresh off an Ikea kitchen install,,,HORRIBLE is my one word summary. Yes they look nice when complete, but no way are they a money saver and with the shoddy materials (all particle board and mdf) if you're not saving money, what's the point? The amount of time (money) that went into assembling these things is ridiculous! There was probably a hundred different boxes with thousands of pieces to put together. We literally could have installed a traditional kitchen in a tenth of the time! Plus it's a 5 hour round trip or wait for shipping on any missing or broken pieces - still waiting on the missing toe kicks, hinges and slow closers for last cabinet door, and some missing brackets for the master bath vanity. The small kitchen shown below cost $4500 in cabinets NOT including installation and the long process of assembly.
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fresh off an Ikea kitchen install,,,HORRIBLE is my one word summary. Yes they look nice when complete, but no way are they a money saver and with the shoddy materials (all particle board and mdf) if you're not saving money, what's the point? The amount of time (money) that went into assembling these things is ridiculous! There was probably a hundred different boxes with thousands of pieces to put together. We literally could have installed a traditional kitchen in a tenth of the time! Plus it's a 5 hour round trip or wait for shipping on any missing or broken pieces - still waiting on the missing toe kicks, hinges and slow closers for last cabinet door, and some missing brackets for the master bath vanity. The small kitchen shown below cost $4500 in cabinets NOT including installation and the long process of assembly.
Huh. Almost identical (really, really close, in fact)to one I finished a week ago. Kraft Maid cabinets, very well made boxes I thought - also $4500. And no assembly required.


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How many man hours to assemble
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