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Old 12-02-2007, 11:29 AM   #21
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we put their cabinets in my parents apartment kitchen...outside of being a PITA to put together (at least they included all the parts needed)...they are really good low to mid grade cabinets...They don't use L-brackets for the uppers (there is a hanger that gets installed the length of the cabinet run to the studs and a corresponding pieced along the back of each of the cabinets (similar to a french cleat system)
This is not unique to IKEA, that is the true Euro style cabinet installation method. Cabinets there are designed to go with the home or apartment owner when they leave.

The issues with IKEA are not the Euro style make up, it is the knock down construction.

It would be no different then the American style cabinets we all normally install. There is a level that you purchase that is plywood construction, there is a level that is particle board construction, both are assembled boxes then there is a level that is knock down. They come in a box. There is no comparison to the knock down version and the very lowest quality preassembled version whatso ever.

This is the issue with IKEA cabinets, not that they are Euro style.
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This is not unique to IKEA, that is the true Euro style cabinet installation method. Cabinets there are designed to go with the home or apartment owner when they leave.

The issues with IKEA are not the Euro style make up, it is the knock down construction.

It would be no different then the American style cabinets we all normally install. There is a level that you purchase that is plywood construction, there is a level that is particle board construction, both are assembled boxes then there is a level that is knock down. They come in a box. There is no comparison to the knock down version and the very lowest quality preassembled version whatso ever.

This is the issue with IKEA cabinets, not that they are Euro style.
ok...my point was that they are not like particle board cabinets that you would buy cheaply in another store.

they are relatively well built and seem to be standing up well to daily usage and toddler pounding...

buy 'em...don't buy 'em...doesn't matter to me...
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They are definately strong and went up with ease on the supplied track i hated putting em together but the install (with the exception of installing the track level) is childs play. IKEA has alot of cool stuff cant say I'd Knock em PRICEY THOUGH
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ok...my point was that they are not like particle board cabinets that you would buy cheaply in another store.

they are relatively well built and seem to be standing up well to daily usage and toddler pounding...

buy 'em...don't buy 'em...doesn't matter to me...
This is correct. The particle board cabinets you would buy cheaply in another store are GLUED together. That is a major improvement over cam-lock fasteners.
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This is correct. The particle board cabinets you would buy cheaply in another store are GLUED together. That is a major improvement over cam-lock fasteners.
ok...if you say so...don't use them...i'm ok with that
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ok...if you say so...don't use them...i'm ok with that
You don't really sound like you are.
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You don't really sound like you are.
ah...i'm just more concerned with accuracy in bashing....at least bash a product for the right reasons
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ah...i'm just more concerned with accuracy in bashing....at least bash a product for the right reasons
This is my concern also. It's easy for me to hear "Ikea" and associate it with one of those house flipping shows where they do everything as cheap and crappy as possible. I did at first just think they were complete garbage (because of the name only) until I actually saw some installed. I started changing my thinking then, but when I saw this other kitchen which looked even better I'll admit I was surprised.

My only real concerns with using them now is the reputation that people who have not used or seen them yet will think of them, and the longevity of the cabinets.

They did look and work nice.

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One thing I've noticed reading these is no one who has actually put them up or had any real experience with them is saying bad things, only those of us who are new to the product and judging it on name or potential construction only.
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would I put them in a $1mil home? probably not...but in a $400,000 home in a heartbeat...
What's an averaged priced 2500 sqft home with a normal city lot (here it's 50'x100') going for there? I wanna gauge the price differences between us.

Here they're selling for between $250k-$700k with $350-$400 probably being an average.
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Actually, I said that I HAVE installed a kitchen full of them. They do LOOK ok. I think the construction and the attachment methods are crap.

The uppers hang on a track by two 5/16" studs attached to L brackets that are held onto the sides of the cabinets by 2 small screws.

The cabinets are held together by cam-locks.

There is not a drop of glue to be found.

1/8" backs.

Plastic feet. (which actually make leveling the base cabinets pretty easy)

Clip-on toe kicks.

Cheap hinges with limited adjustability..(at least back when I used them)

Fillers galore.


I've seen good cabinetry....these do not qualify.

Yes they look decent....but they are crappy.
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Fillers galore is right, when I did my Ikea kitchen the homeowners took my 2020 drawing for semi custom and bought Ikea. It was a gut job and it paid well. I got creative with the cabinets and fillers and the job did look good. If it was someone with less experience than me, like a homeowner or someone starting out it would have come out different. Ikea has a kitchen design program on their website, or they did when I did this kitchen anyway.
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Yeah, I actually went to Ikea (what a nightmare, worse than the mall at Christmas and I couldn't find my way out if there was a fire, frickin maze) and the cabinets they had up to look at didn't look that good.

You can tell they didn't have pros put these up because fillers were the wrong size, lot's of the iron on pieces weren't perfect so you could see white underneath the edges. You could tell lots of people had been messing with them as well.

Over all I wasn't that impressed with the displays at the store plus I had a strong urge to run outta the place so I didn't stay that long.

The two kitchens I saw were done by a pro and they were much better.

Send_it_all: Do you know what's bad about the construction? Are they particle board? Could they handle a 3 cm slab of stacked granite?
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Wackman, I went to Ikea with my wife, who has a thing for lamps but thats another story. I felt like I was at the zoo, moms pushing baby carriages all over the place, crowds of people stopped for no apparent reason and a rats maze of displays I could never figure out. Plants next to lamps next to furniture and when your all done you pay and then get your stuff from the biggest collection of shelves I have ever seen. I would rather break up a dogfight than ask an Ikea shopper to move so I could get by. Twilight Zone shopping. Dawn of the Dead with house decorating zombies. I'll pay more somewhere else, thank you.
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Wackman, I went to Ikea with my wife, who has a thing for lamps but thats another story. I felt like I was at the zoo, moms pushing baby carriages all over the place, crowds of people stopped for no apparent reason and a rats maze of displays I could never figure out. Plants next to lamps next to furniture and when your all done you pay and then get your stuff from the biggest collection of shelves I have ever seen. I would rather break up a dogfight than ask an Ikea shopper to move so I could get by. Twilight Zone shopping. Dawn of the Dead with house decorating zombies. I'll pay more somewhere else, thank you.
Absolutely, I WILL NOT be going back to the store if I buy any of their stuff. What happened to normal aisles where you can just walk directly to what you want?

If you want dishes you need to walk through the whole frickin store on the dang yellow brick road to eventually get there! Isn't there some kind of fire code for situations like this?

Made me want to get a shopping cart with a cow catcher at the front and just push my way through.

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I have never been to Ikea, after this, thank you, because now I know I never will.
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You can order their stuff and they'll send it to you. If you do buy anything there do it this way.
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I have to say, they look pretty good. I have only installed them once, and I cant remember how the uppers were mounted, but I do remember thinking they were better made that I though they would be.

I dunno, for a home you are going to sell, I would be awfully tempted to use them, the average buyer does not notice build quality. Sad but true. If you were really worried about it, there is nothing stopping you from beefing them up with glue an bracing.

But think about those first few seconds that the buyer looks at the kitchen. It can make or break the sale of a house. For the money, I bet Ikea cabinets would get the reaction you are looking for more than any other cabinet out there.
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I did a kitchen a few years ago with some very similar to Ikea... Mills Pride (HD). Knock down, cam lock, 'quality' pressed wood boxes, with really nice maple doors (no face frames). They mounted like a regular box, and would take a granite slab.

Nice hinges and drawers, and LOOK expensive from a distance. I glued everything for my own piece of mind. The HO still loves 'em.
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Time for a confession. I did my office with Ikea furniture, not the file cabinets, just shelving and a desk. I picked it out of a catalogue and had someone else who wanted to see Ikea pick it up for me.

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