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Old 06-30-2013, 08:00 AM   #21
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Re: Handicap ADA Shower Recommendations


I do a lot of roll in showers and have installed them in everywhere from mobile homes to high end homes. Products I use run the gamut from acrylic to custom tile with trench drains.
For a good mid priced option I would recommend that you look at the Sterling showers http://www.sterlingplumbing.com/bath...18!NONE?filter[SIZE]=63%22+Showers
They install fairly easy and they have a simple but very watertight design. You can get them with backers that allow you to put in grab bars almost anywhere. If you would like info on other products send me a PM
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Old 06-30-2013, 08:10 AM   #22
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That's what we use. Sterling brand has come along way in the last 5-10 years..
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You are allowed up to 1/2" of an inch of curb and still meet ADA requirements.
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They make retrofit pans that do not have to be recessed into the floor, hence the 1/2" curb.
Thus, if the person is in a chair, it's a transfer shower. From tyler's link, something like these:

http://www.barrierfree.org/ada-showers/transfer

So the person parks outside of it, then (gets) transferred inside to the bench. So the 1/2 curb isn't an issue, so I'd guess neither would be a 2" curb. Transfer showers can be smaller as they (are) slide into it, then (get) hose themselves off, etc. A chair can't go over that.

Barrier free showers are that, barrier free. They are larger as the chair freely goes from the bathroom floor into the shower itself, so gotta be room in there for the chair and the ability to maneuver it or around it if someone else is in there with that person. The bathrooms are also (should be) bigger so they can transfer into a shower chair before going into there. This is where floor drains are so handy outside of the shower.

I did one of these about a month ago, curbless (barrier free) shower and another drain outside of the shower itself where the person would be standing/sitting in their chair. I also sloped from the sink and toilet areas to that drain, but the slope was far less as not only would the the water would be less, but this would be where transfers could be done...to another chair, or the toilet. That was a full mud job, but that's what I do...though not as much these days.

Usually paras use benches, while quads need to transfer to (wheel) chairs because they cannot support their torso.

As with most govt guidance/rules/laws, they are overly vague and at the same time, dives into minutia. People needing ADA showers should do a lot of research into what they need, or in most cases, may need in the future as sometimes even they don't fully appreciate it.

If they just need an old folks shower, than pretty much any low curb one will work if there's a bench or room for one....and grab bars. There's no reason to be barrier free. For everything else, guidance is needed to make sure they get what they need or will need.
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http://www.schluter.com/8_3_kerdi_st_sc_sr.aspx

In the picture of the products you can see a prefabricated "ramp" This cab abut the pre fab shower pan, thus eliminating the curb. CO has the skill to do this in mud, and I have built them this way, but do not consider myself highly skilled in mud jobs. This makes it a no brainer, and your tiling that same morning.
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IMHO the schluter products are the way to go. Ive installed two barrier free showers in the past couple years using schluters linear drain system. You will have to lower the joist height so you need to take that into consideration. Someone else posted a link with a ramp and that looks like it would be a good option as well. They offer many "trims" you can use to finish the sides of the ramps without having to cut slivers of tile. If installed correctly it is supposed to be 100% water proof.
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Check out these guys: http://www.grifform.com/_products/ada-shower-pans.html

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http://www.schluter.com/8_3_kerdi_st_sc_sr.aspx

In the picture of the products you can see a prefabricated "ramp"
Got it. These aren't new as it's just a transition and as we all know, that's one of the bigger things to deal with. You can save money and do the same thing out of wood, then treat it like a regular bathroom floor, but one closer to the shower. I think they make a handicurb or something like that too. Or you can make your own out of mud. I've also seen weather stripping material.

The problem for these, in people that need a barrier free shower, that slope does make the wheeling in doable....but the trade off is, it removes the area outside of it to transition into a shower chair. ADA people (not old people not wanting to step up much) NEED space and as you know, everything is a trade off. This can be addressed though with some moving of walls though.

I'm pretty loose in my use of proper trade nomenclature, often times intentionally. But.....if someone is in need (now or upcoming) of a barrier free/ADA shower, professionals in that field need to be informed enough so they can also inform their customer correctly. It's sort of complicated, so if a nursing home wants them, they will give you their specs and they also have not only staff on hand 24/7, but deep enough pockets to make it work if they screwed up (highly unlikely).

How would one feel installing a so called 'barrier free/ada' shower in someone's home for when X visits/comes home, only for them to find out that 2 grand they spent won't work....but they won't know this until X is there and unable to wash up. Yeah, he really is trying not to feel like a burden....and they really are just trying to help......

I have a lot of professional and personal experience with this stuff, so guys and gals, I don't care what you use.....but make sure it's the correct thing for that application when it comes to ADA/barrier free showers. If you are dealing with someone outside of an institutional setting....and they aren't given guidance from one, then please have them go and get it as they'll be a happier customer and those are always good for contractors to have.

Last time I got this specific, JW PM'd me about my company name, where I'm at, etc. Sorry, but if he's still reading this (likely), then there's still not that information JW. Sorry. Get your marketing stuff elsewheres......
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I build a large handicap shower a couple of years back and added a floor drain outside of the shower----

User is wheelchair bound and needed a place to drip off the chair---

I like the idea and will be adding a room drain outside of any handicap shower,when possible.
I'm curious if the floor gets sloped to the floor drain outside the shower?
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I attended the Atlanta home show today and ran across the guys from vim products. They seemed to have a very nice system for creating curbless showers. Similar to the akw system, but much more installer friendly.
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I attended the Atlanta home show today and ran across the guys from vim products. They seemed to have a very nice system for creating curbless showers. Similar to the akw system, but much more installer friendly.
How do you figure? The VIM product you need to build a lower platform between the joists, the AKW Tuff Form is structural and just requires bridging. Right there saves you hours of work.
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I'm curious if the floor gets sloped to the floor drain outside the shower?
I did not add a slope to the drain in that install---it would have been ideal,however, it was an existing basement slab and the budget did not
allow that----

The handicapped user had a full time attendant who squeegeed the tile after use---
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I'm curious if the floor gets sloped to the floor drain outside the shower?
Generally speaking no. But taking the slope out a foot or so wouldn't be a bad idea. You have to make sure that it doesn't effect the other fixtures in the bathroom such as the toilet or vanity. The last thing you want is a toilet that has to be shimmed a 1/4", which isn't acceptable in my book.

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