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Old 03-02-2012, 10:40 AM   #41
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Hey guys,
Just to make sure I've got my i's dotted and t's crossed, what are the typical granite slab sizes available these days? 5x10, 6x10?

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Old 03-02-2012, 11:45 AM   #42
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If you have 5x10 slab like someone here said being 1 1/4" thick and being 50sf @ lets take average 18 LB SF = Thats 900 LB. Bringing that into a house, and trying to move that around, not to mention turns, or furniture,etc its not an easy task, not to mention there should be at least 4-5 guys in the truck. But I guess if you have a
5x10" and you order a slab 6X10 because you will not make that top out of 5X10 slab, that must be a big house, so let's assume this is how it's done.

If you make a counter according to the picture, 8' long with a turn, it becomes harder to move that top around and make turns, especially in the house with that kitchen...

With that said, if a company want to send out slabs this size in one piece, and have a crew of 4-5 guys on the truck... what can I say...

The picture that he posted, it shows with a straight slab 3/4 inch thick. I am sure that system works and I'm sure it can be used in some cases, but I did close to 400 kitchen installs in the last 5-6 years, I never seen guys who install my Granite, use slabs that size.

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I don't know any granite fabricators that bring a 5 x 10 slab into a home to fabricate it onsite in someones home, so I don't understand both your weight and maneuverability concerns...

Coveinspiration said - "I spoke to my father and he says the inner wall dimension on the two pieces are 48" from the stove to the inside corner, and 92.5" from the inside corner to the end of the long piece. 48" x 92.5""

For weight consideration, that fabricated piece is approximately 20sf x 18lbs (your number) and would be about 360lbs, and that's not accounting for the sink cut-out... at it's longest, it's less than 8' tall (92.5") so there is no maneuvering issue I can see, especially since from the pic he provided (see below), that piece is very small in relation to the room, with arched ceilings, and plus being a newer home, my guess is it's and open floor plan. There's PLENTY of room...

As far as the install of that one piece, it's an open-ended drop... So I don't see ANY maneuverability issues whatsoever...

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Hey guys,
Just to make sure I've got my i's dotted and t's crossed, what are the typical granite slab sizes available these days? 5x10, 6x10?

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Doesn't matter in your case as the longest piece is less than 8'... being that you said he paid $5K for these tops, from a rough calculation on scale, your Dad paid around or a little over $100 sf... he should expect better for that money especially considering that the island and piece to the left of the stove, and the bath sink are straight runs... the guy down the road got it, right?

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I can't thank you all enough. Especially to KAP for the drawings. Sky, this might be ok to you, but they didn't pay an extra $5000.00 for granite left overs. They wanted what was shown to them during the walk through of the show home. I'm in the tile business and would never give a customer a mix of two different batch lots of a color without seeing if it is ok with them. To me, this is no different. You can't put something like this in someones home and try to tell them it's ok because it's natural.
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Good luck in arbitration.
Especially if the arbitrator's got your outlook on things, eh?!
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I don't know any granite fabricators that bring a 5 x 10 slab into a home to fabricate it onsite in someones home, so I don't understand both your weight and maneuverability concerns...
Thats what I said, I just calculated the weight, someone else said that..." That's nothing many kitchens we do have islands that use the whole slab 5' X 10' 3cm"
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thats what i said, i just calculated the weight, someone else said that..." that's nothing many kitchens we do have islands that use the whole slab 5' x 10' 3cm"
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Here are just a couple I could find, the top 2 are one slab the bottom one has the seam but is double 3cm at the self edge.
Big slabs are done they are not fabricated onsite and yes they are heavy but if there is a will there is a way
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Thats what I said, I just calculated the weight, someone else said that..." That's nothing many kitchens we do have islands that use the whole slab 5' X 10' 3cm"
I am confused... isn't Post #40 your's?... that's the one I used the quote on...
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I'm just trying to get the point across to the OP that the size (weight) of the slab in this example shouldn't be a factor.
greg24k was saying that it was too big to do in one piece, but I know that that is simply not the case and posted a couple photos of recent kitchens with large slabs to show that big slabs are done all the time.
That is a small kitchen and IMO the seamed piece could have and should have been done in on piece.
And BTW that is probably a <$3000 countertop job not a $5000 so that should be part of the argument as well.

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I just looked at some kitchens I did, I didn't have many kitchens where you could use a one piece slab, and the few kitchens or island that we did, I remember guys had a hard time because of the weight or a small area to move around. But as the seams concern, my guys make magic, because it is almost seaming-less.
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Hey guys,
just wanted to let you all know we went into mediation on Tuesday and won! Thanks to everyone for all their help.
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Congrats. What are the specifics?
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Well, without getting into the monetary side of it, it went down like this....

After gathering as much info as I could about granite countertops I argued that the colour matching was not to industry standard. The insurance company tried to say 'well, the countertops work whether you like the way they look or not'.

I hammered them with references from the Marble Association of America, and a Canadian equivalent. Although I didn't have a copy of either organizations standards guide I had found some blog articles from granite installers that referenced information from these organizations that states the colour must be matched at an acceptable level in order to meet industry standards. If it doesn't match, it's considered to be below standard and is therefore a defective countertop. I also found out that there doesn't seem to be any standards for vein direction. I tried to stay away from that even though it looked like a horses a**.

The lawyer representing the insurance company didn't have much info on anything and seemed a bit taken back by all of this. I told him that I'd sue them for a lot more than we were asking for if they didn't settle today at an appropriate amount. Long and short, they didn't want to go to court as it's costly.

He also told me the Builder gave them zero details of the situation. Basically called them and said deal with these people. I think that helped us out a bit.

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