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Old 05-02-2015, 04:53 PM   #3381
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There is no way I would have set all that in a day by myself. Then there is the question of, how perfect of an install are you going for?

A zero lippage job takes a good bit longer to lay than one that 1/32 or 1/16 is ok.

I'm pretty sure I'm no where near as fast a tile setter as some guys, but when I'm done, it looks good. My brother and I laid about 100 sq ft of 6x24 plank the other night and that was about 6 hrs from arriving at the site to leaving. That was including undercutting jambs and it was a bath and laundry room so wouldn't have laid as fast as that open space.

One of the problems with being an employee and not estimating is that my Dad probably has a better feel for how quick we do things than I do.

Bottom line, no way I would have done that in a day. 2 sounds fine to me. Especially considering the curve. Hopefully the tile guys will chime in.
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Old 05-02-2015, 06:16 PM   #3382
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The semi circle killed you. Thats a 2 day set by yourself.

The "how fast" or "how many feet can you set in a day" inferences come up now and again. Lot depends on the setter, the material, what its going over and how wide open the area is.
I have set 15ft in a day (8hours) and I have done 500ft in a day by myself. Everyone is different and every situation is different. The bottom line is however fast or slow someone is, when its done, it looks perfect and the check clears.
I know it can become a d!ck measuring contest between serious full time setters on "how many feet in so many hours". I have 2 really competitive guys on my crew that sometimes will run it up the flagpole and see who salutes. Its fun to watch and its all for bragging rights and loser pays for dinner.


...slow or fast, do it right.
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I'm quite anal about my lippage and grout lines, so I know that slows me down. I've never been about speed, but I like to know if I'm in the right ballpark.
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Cuts are always what slow you down. For a floor, you might only have a few cuts that are exposed, as most will get covered by shoe or under cabs. But regardless, cutting is slow.

What I like to do is lay all full tiles on day 1 and then go back and fill in cuts on day 2. The benefit I feel is day one you tile yourself out of a room and it goes relatively quick. The next day, you can walk on the full tiles so you're not hindered or slowed by freshly set tiles. If you are by yourself, trying to be as close to your cutting station helps. I'll actually make many of the cuts before even mixing thinset. No need to have to keep mixing buckets because the cuts are taking too long in real-time.

I know I'm slow. The last 500 sq ft floor I did; took 2 days to lay all full. 1.5 to install cuts. 1/2 day to grout.
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I precut most of my bathrooms now a days. But I also always have a helper. We snap our lines, figure the layout, and my helper makes the cuts while I work on other things.

It's great to just turn and burn. Everything is cut and laid in less than a day.

If I were alone I would do the same thing as you. Full tiles then cuts.
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I precut most of my bathrooms now a days. But I also always have a helper. We snap our lines, figure the layout, and my helper makes the cuts while I work on other things.

It's great to just turn and burn. Everything is cut and laid in less than a day.

If I were alone I would do the same thing as you. Full tiles then cuts.
Oh yes, a helper is awesome. On the few, rare occasions I had a cut man, that was cool.

I have been the cut-man on others' jobs. That's pretty easy money.
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Cuts are always what slow you down. For a floor, you might only have a few cuts that are exposed, as most will get covered by shoe or under cabs. But regardless, cutting is slow.

What I like to do is lay all full tiles on day 1 and then go back and fill in cuts on day 2. The benefit I feel is day one you tile yourself out of a room and it goes relatively quick. The next day, you can walk on the full tiles so you're not hindered or slowed by freshly set tiles. If you are by yourself, trying to be as close to your cutting station helps. I'll actually make many of the cuts before even mixing thinset. No need to have to keep mixing buckets because the cuts are taking too long in real-time.

I know I'm slow. The last 500 sq ft floor I did; took 2 days to lay all full. 1.5 to install cuts. 1/2 day to grout.
I've only ever done one tile floor, but that's what I did too. It just made more sense. Glad to know I was thinking right.
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I precut most of my bathrooms now a days. But I also always have a helper. We snap our lines, figure the layout, and my helper makes the cuts while I work on other things.

It's great to just turn and burn. Everything is cut and laid in less than a day.

If I were alone I would do the same thing as you. Full tiles then cuts.

Do you snap lines for every row of tile? Or just key lines? What if the tiles aren't the exact same size?
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Cuts are always what slow you down. For a floor, you might only have a few cuts that are exposed, as most will get covered by shoe or under cabs. But regardless, cutting is slow.

What I like to do is lay all full tiles on day 1 and then go back and fill in cuts on day 2. The benefit I feel is day one you tile yourself out of a room and it goes relatively quick. The next day, you can walk on the full tiles so you're not hindered or slowed by freshly set tiles. If you are by yourself, trying to be as close to your cutting station helps. I'll actually make many of the cuts before even mixing thinset. No need to have to keep mixing buckets because the cuts are taking too long in real-time.

I know I'm slow. The last 500 sq ft floor I did; took 2 days to lay all full. 1.5 to install cuts. 1/2 day to grout.
Angus, I like the idea of full tiles one day, cuts the next. I've never run a floor tile job that way before, but I think I'll give it a whirl next big solo floor. Thanks

Most larger floors we run a crew of two or three, but with the business expanding and jobs overlapping, I can see myself having to tackle upcoming floor jobs by myself most of the time.
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I believe he was saying he pre-cuts the entire bathroom. I've done that too. So you dry fit the entire floor and as long as you start in the same spot, your lines aren't life or death.
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So you dry fit the entire floor and as long as you start in the same spot, your lines aren't life or death.
Hard to believe that dry-fitting the whole thing would be all that efficient. But I'm willing to be convinced by those who have done it.

I've always thought that laying out the materials twice was pretty much a self-evident time waster.
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So here is something that may be useful to someone...today I was tiling the mixer valve wall. I used the Kerdi valve gasket. I couldn't find anything quick to mark the radius on the tile. The DVD that came with the kit was laying close...it was a perfect match...lol. The hole let me hold it right over the center to mark my tile too. Of course if I wouldn't have thrown away the template they provide I could've used that too.
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Hard to believe that dry-fitting the whole thing would be all that efficient. But I'm willing to be convinced by those who have done it.

I've always thought that laying out the materials twice was pretty much a self-evident time waster.
If I'm by myself, I don't find it to be inefficient. Because when you're in a small space and constantly need to get up and down for cutting in that space, that becomes more time consuming to me. Especially when you're fighting the clock with the bucket of thinset. Having to stop because you lost your thinset is easily a 25 minute delay in cleaning and getting a new one back in.

Cleaning buckets and mixing new thinset is something I try to avoid. Depending on my costs, I hate paying myself $35+/hour to do such menial tasks. I'd rather spend my time on making sure the layout is as good as can be.

I'm not about to claim it's the best way, it's just my way to get 'er done the best way I can.

Of course, when you job cost and realize how much time you spent doing laborer tasks, it no longer is $35/hour when you pay yourself
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Do you snap lines for every row of tile? Or just key lines? What if the tiles aren't the exact same size?
Just two reference lines prep to each other.

Unless they are rectified we count on there being a variance. We make it up on the edges. We may leave a few tiles to cut when we set.

I've gone to Menards for a material run and come back and my guy had the floor laid out and cut. On a standard 5x8-10x10, there are at most 40 cuts. And most of those can be snapped in a few minutes. Toilets and closets are the most time consuming cuts.
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Hard to believe that dry-fitting the whole thing would be all that efficient. But I'm willing to be convinced by those who have done it.

I've always thought that laying out the materials twice was pretty much a self-evident time waster.
You don't have to lay out all of the tile, just two rows perp to each other. Then use a neat tool called a tape measure. You lay your two rows and take numbers.

Definitely faster than setting the field and then coming back on another day to set the cuts. Most bathrooms are cut in less than an hour and laid in about the same. So about four man hours and the floor is done. One bucket of thinset, one mix, one clean up. Saves time and money all the easy around.
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So here is something that may be useful to someone...today I was tiling the mixer valve wall. I used the Kerdi valve gasket. I couldn't find anything quick to mark the radius on the tile. The DVD that came with the kit was laying close...it was a perfect match...lol. The hole let me hold it right over the center to mark my tile too. Of course if I wouldn't have thrown away the template they provide I could've used that too.
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I dry fit this one this morning...only had 4 full tile mats and everything else was cut. Man I hate cheap mats when you have to cut loose tile to even up reveals.
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I dry fit this one this morning...only had 4 full tile mats and everything else was cut. Man I hate cheap mats when you have to cut loose tile to even up reveals.

Very nice! That is a clean looking install, no mortar clumps to be seen!
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You don't have to lay out all of the tile, just two rows perp to each other. Then use a neat tool called a tape measure. You lay your two rows and take numbers.

Definitely faster than setting the field and then coming back on another day to set the cuts. Most bathrooms are cut in less than an hour and laid in about the same. So about four man hours and the floor is done. One bucket of thinset, one mix, one clean up. Saves time and money all the easy around.
I tend to do a dry like tnt and for the exact reasons he noted.

It cuts back greatly on thinset mixing, clean up, and cutting. So really, there's not time lost. Additionally, I find I can set tile more smoothly when I've done a dry run as my mind has developed a... Let's say 'pattern' memory.
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What tile project are you working on?-imageuploadedbycontractortalk1430845698.805745.jpg

I finished this foyer yesterday. In total it was 4.5 days of work; 1/2 day to demo old tile and scrape old thinset. 1 to lay extra plywood and Ditra, 2 to set tile, and 1 to clean grout lines, grout, buff, and clean up.

About 18 hours to lay the travertine. I have no idea how guys are making money laying tile for $5.00 a square foot!!

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