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Old 04-10-2015, 04:47 PM   #3241
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It didn't take 2 years to figure out that my saw has better water management. 2 hours was plenty.
So you are making the assumption that in every circumstance I've experienced since owning the saw, the results are always the same? I've used that saw to probably cut 5000+ pieces of tile; you have cut maybe 4-6. So I think you made a judgement based on very little experience.

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How was I unfair? I just expected much better water management from a saw that was twice as much as mine. Compared to mine it is awful.
So a saw's price should be based off it's ability to contain splashing? I owned and used a Dewalt for about 2 years so I can directly compare the Dewalt to my Imer and say the Dewalt has better splash management. I would not come close to saying the Imer has awful management. But that's just my experienced opinion.

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Unfair would be to have no experience using both. It's silly to suggest my point is a derailment. Am I only supposed to post positives?
It's not silly because until you bought up the unsolicited point it wasn't even a topic. But since you want to debate, I said a rail saw would be beneficial to jb4211's posted problem. I never said an Imer or my saw. Just stated a rail saw would help. After jb said he just bought the Dewalt, I simply replied sometimes if you spend more money on a tool, it can be more versatile. Again, I never mentioned my saw or the brand, Imer. Country_huck then asked how my saw was holding up.

No one asked about water management of any saw. I never brought up purchasing the same saw I own was better than any trolley saw.

I'm not sure why but you thought it was necessary to bring up a single aspect of the saw I own. I mean why not compare and contrast more features? I dunno why it became a topic. But the way you went around it reminded me of if you suggested a restaurant that you had years of good experience with to someone and they went there and had 1 plate they thought was awful. Does that mean that restaurant always serves awful food? Does that mean the person with plenty of positive experiences doesn't know what good food is? Does that mean the person with the bad experience didn't give the restaurant a chance?

I'm no genius but I'm not an idiot either. I've used lots of wet tile saws and I've cut many different kinds of tile. The Imer I own does not have what I'd describe as anywhere near awful water management. Maybe from the 6-ish tiles you cut on it that's your opinion but it feels highly suspicious that my opinion and even that of someone else that owns the same saw differ vastly from yours.

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And I haven't disagreed with anything other points you have made. I also haven't suggested not getting an Imer, a rail saw or that one shouldn't buy a premium product or tool.
We all know you're a person with your own opinions and you'll state them regardless of what's average, popular or most common. I expect nothing less from you. But sorry to say, in this one instance, I think you are wrong for sticking to your guns. It actually surprises me you'd let such little usage be translated into such a negative review. If I felt your review was remotely close to my experiences with it, I wouldn't have blinked at the comment. However, because I totally disagree with the review, I felt it was worth the typing to contradict. Hell, if you want to compare more pros and cons, that's fine but I think the tool is much too good to let it go.
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So you are making the assumption that in every circumstance I've experienced since owning the saw, the results are always the same? I've used that saw to probably cut 5000+ pieces of tile; you have cut maybe 4-6. So I think you made a judgement based on very little experience.

No assumptions made concerning your use. I think I even said that maybe it wasn't setup for prime use. However with the 1000's of tiles I have cut I have yet to have that experience on mine. I also already covered that I had only used it the one time. This isn't new information, nor did I try to inflate my experience.

So a saw's price should be based off it's ability to contain splashing? I owned and used a Dewalt for about 2 years so I can directly compare the Dewalt to my Imer and say the Dewalt has better splash management. I would not come close to saying the Imer has awful management. But that's just my experienced opinion.

I think that it should be one of the factors, absolutely.

It's not silly because until you bought up the unsolicited point it wasn't even a topic. But since you want to debate, I said a rail saw would be beneficial to jb4211's posted problem. I never said an Imer or my saw. Just stated a rail saw would help. After jb said he just bought the Dewalt, I simply replied sometimes if you spend more money on a tool, it can be more versatile. Again, I never mentioned my saw or the brand, Imer. Country_huck then asked how my saw was holding up.

I made a comment when another member, mind you not after your post, said that they had looked at getting the Imer. Unsolicited? Not really. When someone says they are going to buy something and I have an opinion on that something, whether it's based on what you deem as enough experience or not, it's opened up for discusion. No different than any other discusion that you ahve given your opinion on features of products people have said they were thinking about getting. You're just upset that my opinion differs from yours, that my assessment is "unfair" and my poor choice of words (awful).

No one asked about water management of any saw. I never brought up purchasing the same saw I own was better than any trolley saw.

Go back and read the progression of comments. My water management comment was not directed at you. So I am not sure why you are taking this personal and thinking I directed anything at you.

I'm not sure why but you thought it was necessary to bring up a single aspect of the saw I own.

Because Travis made the comment that he had looked at buying one.

I mean why not compare and contrast more features? I dunno why it became a topic. But the way you went around it reminded me of if you suggested a restaurant that you had years of good experience with to someone and they went there and had 1 plate they thought was awful. Does that mean that restaurant always serves awful food?

I'm sorry you felt that way, but that is on you. I have no way of controlling how you filter what I write. I see it more like you driving an Ford Econoline for several years and I drove it for a few minutes and didn't like how it handled and made a comment on how bad it handled. That's a more accurate comparison.

Does that mean the person with plenty of positive experiences doesn't know what good food is? Does that mean the person with the bad experience didn't give the restaurant a chance?

I'm no genius but I'm not an idiot either. I've used lots of wet tile saws and I've cut many different kinds of tile. The Imer I own does not have what I'd describe as anywhere near awful water management. Maybe from the 6-ish tiles you cut on it that's your opinion but it feels highly suspicious that my opinion and even that of someone else that owns the same saw differ vastly from yours.

Are you refering to Evan and this comment:

"I will take a bit of water mis-management on both my Imer's."

Sounds more like an admission that it does have poor water management and that he's okay with the trade off on the other benefits the saw offers.


We all know you're a person with your own opinions and you'll state them regardless of what's average, popular or most common. I expect nothing less from you. But sorry to say, in this one instance, I think you are wrong for sticking to your guns. It actually surprises me you'd let such little usage be translated into such a negative review.

I didn't see it as "such a negative review" as more of a comment. That's why I said, be mindful and not stay away. You are the one making this into much more than it had to be.

If I felt your review was remotely close to my experiences with it, I wouldn't have blinked at the comment. However, because I totally disagree with the review, I felt it was worth the typing to contradict. Hell, if you want to compare more pros and cons, that's fine but I think the tool is much too good to let it go.

For one I didn't think my opinion carried that much weight, at least enough to say be mindful of the awful water management, and people would not buy it. I didn't make any other comments on the saw because it was the first thing that popped in my head.
I always am amused by individuals who think that I hold one sided discussions (debates as you called it). Feels like I am not the only one that wanted this. I have a suspicion that my few hours of use would have been sufficient for a positive review. Funny how that works.
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Fwiw, I'm just getting into tile. There's so much to learn and learning from other's is proving rather difficult because if you ask ten people who do quality tile work for advice on a particular project, you'll get ten different answers. It's weird in that respect.

Angus, this saw situation is just an example. If I asked for advice, I'd get so many different answers. I have a lot of respect you and Rob.
I did a lot of research before purchasing my saw. The DeWalt and Ridgid seemed to be the front runners for under $1,000. The DeWalt seemed to be the winner of those two.

I see your point in the rail saw's pros, and I understand what Rob is saying too. However, water management is very important for me at this point. If I continue to improve, I could see me purchasing a rail saw in the future. I think I'd have the best of both worlds.

Also, someone mentioned using the HO's assistance when cutting the long pieces of curb; but I learned very early in my career never to allow the HO to help me do the work they are paying me to do. I know there's always exceptions to the rule. But, to me, not that rule. If I need help, i'll bring a helper. The HO can enjoy his/her day, I'm fine.
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Fwiw, I'm just getting into tile. There's so much to learn and learning from other's is proving rather difficult because if you ask ten people who do quality tile work for advice on a particular project, you'll get ten different answers. It's weird in that respect.

Angus, this saw situation is just an example. If I asked for advice, I'd get so many different answers. I have a lot of respect you and Rob.
I did a lot of research before purchasing my saw. The DeWalt and Ridgid seemed to be the front runners for under $1,000. The DeWalt seemed to be the winner of those two.

I see your point in the rail saw's pros, and I understand what Rob is saying too. However, water management is very important for me at this point. If I continue to improve, I could see me purchasing a rail saw in the future. I think I'd have the best of both worlds.

Also, someone mentioned using the HO's assistance when cutting the long pieces of curb; but I learned very early in my career never to allow the HO to help me do the work they are paying me to do. I know there's always exceptions to the rule. But, to me, not that rule. If I need help, i'll bring a helper. The HO can enjoy his/her day, I'm fine.
Yeah, I never solicit a HO as well. I also never use their tools or ladders and always act like I know what I'm talking about and doing. Kinda like when I'm on CT.
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I always am amused by individuals who think that I hold one sided discussions (debates as you called it). Feels like I am not the only one that wanted this. I have a suspicion that my few hours of use would have been sufficient for a positive review. Funny how that works.
AFAIK, a debate involves multiple folks.

I can tell you your few tiles were not enough experience to make an educated review either way. Would you spend $1000 on a tool you barely used once at someone elses jobsite?

You didn't inflate your experience but you sure jumped to a pretty quick conclusion about it.

A saw's ability to contain water is a mere part of it's overall abilities. For you to assume double the price should better containment is also ignoring why it is priced so.

The 2 comments made about the Imer were both from guys that said they already bought something else.

I'm not upset that your opinion differs. Hardly. I'm amazed you think you can make such a comment without a disclaimer of usage. You didn't state any amount of experience to give others a chance to put a priority on the comment. "Just be mindful the water management is awful on it."
"For the handful of tiles I used it for, I thought the containment was not what I expected." That qualifies your experience and gives an opinion based on the limited use.

Evan's comment was "a bit of water mis-management". That's a far cry from awful.

Maybe you should consider telling people you haven't driven the Econoline enough to make a fair judgement on it before knocking its handling.

Perhaps you're upset that someone challenged your unsolicited comment about your limited experience of a tool that the regular users of don't agree with.
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I see your point in the rail saw's pros, and I understand what Rob is saying too. However, water management is very important for me at this point. If I continue to improve, I could see me purchasing a rail saw in the future. I think I'd have the best of both worlds
I was just bringing up the point that sometimes if you spend more money on a tool, you get more capabilities. I had no intention of talking about my particular saw. TNT made the point of giving one detail about a very specific saw.

Be very glad you chose the Dewalt over the Ridgid.
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AFAIK, a debate involves multiple folks.

I can tell you your few tiles were not enough experience to make an educated review either way. Would you spend $1000 on a tool you barely used once at someone elses jobsite?

You didn't inflate your experience but you sure jumped to a pretty quick conclusion about it.

A saw's ability to contain water is a mere part of it's overall abilities. For you to assume double the price should better containment is also ignoring why it is priced so.

The 2 comments made about the Imer were both from guys that said they already bought something else.

I'm not upset that your opinion differs. Hardly. I'm amazed you think you can make such a comment without a disclaimer of usage. You didn't state any amount of experience to give others a chance to put a priority on the comment. "Just be mindful the water management is awful on it."
"For the handful of tiles I used it for, I thought the containment was not what I expected." That qualifies your experience and gives an opinion based on the limited use.

Evan's comment was "a bit of water mis-management". That's a far cry from awful.

Maybe you should consider telling people you haven't driven the Econoline enough to make a fair judgement on it before knocking its handling.

Perhaps you're upset that someone challenged your unsolicited comment about your limited experience of a tool that the regular users of don't agree with.
Again. I have this odd feeling that if I had a positive opinion of it's water management my "limited" experience wouldn't be called into question. Or am I wrong?
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Again. I have this odd feeling that if I had a positive opinion of it's water management my "limited" experience wouldn't be called into question. Or am I wrong?


It's water management isn't one of it's glowing features. Actually, it kinda sucks.
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I was just bringing up the point that sometimes if you spend more money on a tool, you get more capabilities. I had no intention of talking about my particular saw. TNT made the point of giving one detail about a very specific saw.

Be very glad you chose the Dewalt over the Ridgid.
I am.
I just finished a floor with 14x14 porcelain tiles. The saw worked very well. There was some tear-out (not sure what it's called with tile, chipping maybe) on a few tile during the last 1/8"-1/4" of the cut, but I just slowed the speed down and it cut clean. I read that could be a blade issue. Some people loved the stock blade. Some, not so much. The T3 Razor seems to be the blade of choice. I'm new to tile like I said, so I'm trying to learn as I go, including on how quickly to push the tile through the blade to eliminate tear-out/chipping, etc.

I was surprised the saw didn't have a laser. But, then again, I have several wood saws that do, and I never put trust into it.lol

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I just finished a floor with 14x14 porcelain tiles. The saw worked very well. There was some tear-out (not sure what it's called with tile, chipping maybe) on a few tile during the last 1/8"-1/4" of the cut, but I just slowed the speed down and it cut clean. I read that could be a blade issue. Some people loved the stock blade. Some, not so much. The T3 Razor seems to be the blade of choice. I'm new to tile like I said, so I'm trying to learn as I go, including on how quickly to push the tile through the blade to eliminate tear-out/chipping, etc.

I was surprised the saw didn't have a laser. But, then again, I have several wood saws that do, and I never put trust into it.lol

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Yes, get a better blade. There are probably 2-3 that are constantly recommended on here. Make sure to clean the blade. Get a cleaning stone or brick paver. Run it thru the blade at the beginning of every new job.

While I ended getting rid of my Dewalt because I thought it had a lack of accuracy, many guys do some great installs using that saw. I think every saw has its own personality that you need to learn. I know with my current saw, I like to have the part of the tile I cut to keep always on the left and the part I'm cutting off on the right of the blade. I don't know why I feel I get less chip-out that way but as long as I can make the cut in that manner, I do.

I find the laser on a tile saw isn't the least bit accurate. You're better off marking your tray where the blade passes through at the point closest to your eye. You can then mark your tile on the line to cut. Align the starting point on the tile furthest from you with the actual blade. Align the closest mark to you with the line you have on your tray. Perfectly straight cut every time.

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Fwiw, I'm just getting into tile. There's so much to learn and learning from other's is proving rather difficult because if you ask ten people who do quality tile work for advice on a particular project, you'll get ten different answers. It's weird in that respect.
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I can totally see why this is the case.
One of the things to keep in mind is the level of the issues.
Water containment may legitimately be a deal breaker for some.
Having one tool that will do several functions may mitigate a lot of down sides. Think of the multi master.

My son who is a great helper and is starting to set tile is getting ticked at me because I am Nit picking. I was able to put it into his terms be comparing it to video games. When you are a NOOB you are happy just making the controller work. Once you get to a certain level you have honed your skills to the point where the little things are now what make the difference. This is the same for our trade , all trades to be honest. Add in that each of us have different skill sets and different business strategies and you will have a lot of variance.

My goal is to become efficient enough that a 2 man crew can do what most 4 man crews get done in a week. Others want to make perfect high end stone sets. Still others want to create awesome mosaics. A lot of guys here want to be able to make tile one of their staple trades so they can specialize in Bathrooms.

It is part of our journey, Things that I am spending $$$ on now most would shake their head and say why so much for that stuff while Mike would laugh and say "Give that GUY one chip"
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It's water management isn't one of it's glowing features. Actually, it kinda sucks.
So it kinda sucks but it's not awful. I'll agree to that.
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