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Old 02-02-2019, 09:28 AM   #1
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SMFH---second one in a week.

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Old 02-02-2019, 09:47 AM   #2
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I don't know how it's supposed to be wired, but that looks obviously wrong.

I'm guessing one sensor is a backup and shouldn't be hooked up yet?

At the very least both wires from one pair wouldn't go to the same terminal.

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I don't know how it's supposed to be wired, but that looks obviously wrong.

I'm guessing one sensor is a backup and shouldn't be hooked up yet?

At the very least both wires from one pair wouldn't go to the same terminal.
You are correct young Jedi.

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I don't know how it's supposed to be wired, but that looks obviously wrong.

I'm guessing one sensor is a backup and shouldn't be hooked up yet?

At the very least both wires from one pair wouldn't go to the same terminal.
Click to zoom in. Stripped wire hack job.
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Then again, that's the least of their worries....

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Plus sloppy wire stripping...
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Then again, that's the least of their worries....

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MOhm scale - short?
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Insulation test, run 1000 volts through the cable to test insulation integrity. It passed a standard ohms yes.

Below is how it should read on both L1 & L2 to ground.

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In other words, they damaged the cable insulation at some point during the install or handling of it and it all needs to be found and repaired?

Haven't done heat yet. My memory from the Schluter class is that it's a big deal if the insulation is damaged.
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Yes, damaged at some point. Could have been from the factory, but without testing it, there is no way to know when it happened.

Floor won't work on this one.

Good thing I'm only the cabinet guy on these jobs.........

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Yes, damaged at some point. Could have been from the factory, but without testing it, there is no way to know when it happened.

Floor won't work on this one.

Good thing I'm only the cabinet guy on these jobs.........

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Now throw on your TS100 and find the fault.
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Now throw on your TS100 and find the fault.
From here it's between the builder and tile installer.

These cables are laced into a mat. If the fault is 22' out, which way is the 22'?

You're better off charing the floor and thermal scanning it looking for the hot spot.

Picture a a laced cable.

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From here it's between the builder and tile installer.

These cables are laced into a mat. If the fault is 22' out, which way is the 22'?

You're better off charing the floor and thermal scanning it looking for the hot spot.

Picture a a laced cable.

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Oh my bad I thought it was a temp probe.
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Electric heat mats donít give me a good feeling. Iíve seen about 10 in my life and non have failed yet but... imagine the potential nightmare this builder will face finding/ starting over...

Lesson is to test before install for liability and putting your head in the do not mess this up mode


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Electric heat mats donít give me a good feeling. Iíve seen about 10 in my life and non have failed yet but... imagine the potential nightmare this builder will face finding/ starting over...

Lesson is to test before install for liability and putting your head in the do not mess this up mode


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Every one I've done had an alarm on it to go off if you hit the cable.
Plus testing at every conceivable stage of the build.
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Electric heat mats don’t give me a good feeling. I’ve seen about 10 in my life and non have failed yet but... imagine the potential nightmare this builder will face finding/ starting over...

Lesson is to test before install for liability and putting your head in the do not mess this up mode


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I have yet to have one fail. I have at least 100 completed.

If this cable was tested as Schluter requires I believe the warranty is 25 years. Schluter covers the cost of anything necessary to correct the fault. Now, they may give them a new cable, the rest would be on the installer and/or builder.

This is installer error.

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You think itís just the sharp edge of a trowel or some heavy foot traffic ?


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With Ditra heat it would have t be something that got stepped into it or the trowel.

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That's the first thing I saw, but I was a low voltage sparky for 6 years. I then noticed the connection issues.
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I have yet to have one fail. I have at least 100 completed.

If this cable was tested as Schluter requires I believe the warranty is 25 years. Schluter covers the cost of anything necessary to correct the fault. Now, they may give them a new cable, the rest would be on the installer and/or builder.

This is installer error.

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I thought it was only 25 if you took the class. Or maybe that was in one of the warranty updates they made last year.

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