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Old 02-03-2013, 01:26 AM   #1
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Hot Mop Showers Vs Waterproofing Systems


i recently so a post on facebook . this shower was done using the hot mop technique . what is the big deal with this.. i HAVE NEVER DONE ONE. that is what waterproffing systems are for.. WHATS YOUR TAKE ON THIS TOPC ?
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Old 02-03-2013, 08:27 AM   #2
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Ive never done a hot mop or even seen one done. Most people in this area dont even waterproof. Ive looked at 3 showers in the past month that failed due to water intrusion, all about 5-7 years old. I had been using redgard but am now moving into using nobleseal ts thanks to all the info on this site.

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Isn't hot mopping a California thing? Never seen or heard of it any place but there. Kinda strange for a state that is so "healthy" and "green" isn't it? Lol
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maybe hot mop is better where there are earthquakes? Never seen one in Illinois.
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From what I've seen is a Southern CALIFORNIA thing.. But i grew up in the waterproofing era, so this will never cross my mind. Even so, don't you still have to mud a pan in ?
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Looks pretty waterproof to me:

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From what I've seen is a Southern CALIFORNIA thing.. But i grew up in the waterproofing era, so this will never cross my mind. Even so, don't you still have to mud a pan in ?
I have seen here in Central Texas a few trucks with "tar waterproofing".
Here is a opening catch phase from their website TexTar
"The Ceramic Tile Institute, the single most reliable and trusted tile experts in the world, recommend the hot mop asphalt shower pan waterproofing method above all other methods such as pan liners or fiberglass." don't know which claim to start with....I guess they seem not to know anything about single sheet membranes....
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Hot mopped shower pans were the standard in the industry before the others came along. It almost seems to be a lost art now, except in the custom home industry and were a leakproof, waterproof pan is nessesary.
I've never done a Shuster, Redgard or any of the others because I refuse to compromise on quality.
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"The Ceramic Tile Institute, the single most reliable and trusted tile experts in the world, recommend the hot mop asphalt shower pan waterproofing method above all other methods such as pan liners or fiberglass." don't know which claim to start with....I guess they seem not to know anything about single sheet membranes....
What's to know? Re: single sheet membranes all leak eventually.
I would trust "The Ceramic Tile Institute, the single most reliable and trusted tile experts in the world" over your word anyday.
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The Ceramic Tile Institute, the single most reliable and trusted tile experts in the world, recommend the hot mop asphalt shower pan waterproofing method above all other methods such as pan liners or fiberglass." don't know which claim to start with....I guess they seem not to know anything about single sheet membranes....
So we should trust you instead of The Ceramic Tile Institute, the single most reliable and trusted tile experts in the world, recommend the hot mop asphalt shower pan waterproofing method above all other methods.
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check out you tube video by Ojeda Waterproofing. How do the weep holes not get clogged with asphalt?

The mortar bed goes on top of the hot mop like a pvc liner.
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Looks pretty waterproof to me:

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never seen this where im at, looks like its very popular from the size of that fleet .....
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Sort of seems pointles too me with so many better options available now. The entire concept of addressing waterproofing below the substrate is the main reason for bathroom remodels today. Keep up the great work pepito..
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So after everything you still have to mud .. Hot mop takes more time , doesn't ? ..

Pvc and mud, waterproof and tile... Done !

We as professionals have to be up to date with the latest and most innovative technologies...
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I preslope, pan liner, mud. Does anyone use cloraloy pan liner from noble? I want to try it because of how thin it is but really cant justify the price. My supplier only sells by the roll.
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How do the weep holes not get clogged with asphalt?
Don't mop the weep holes.

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Sort of seems pointles too me with so many better options available now. The entire concept of addressing waterproofing below the substrate is the main reason for bathroom remodels today. Keep up the great work pepito..
When you understand the tile and waterproofing concept, you will see why hot mopped is better, grasshopper.

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So after everything you still have to mud .. Hot mop takes more time , doesn't ? ..

We as professionals have to be up to date with the latest and most innovative technologies...
Lol. Hot mopping takes less time than waiting for that silly glue to dry.
I take it you never served an apprenticeship or had any formal education in the construction industry.
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I've torn out 2 hot mopped showers that failed. Don't know why because I didn't have the time to inspect and learn the system. I found it strange to see these in my area.
All I know is the sub floor was sponged out and a complete mess. It could've been wanna-be hacks that did it but either way, I wasn't impressed.
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What's to know? Re: single sheet membranes all leak eventually.
Can you explain how you know this or where you've seen it?
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Really, any system installed right works. After having the plumber go back so many times to do preslopes, my GC's let me install the liners. Nobles the first choice for underbed liner systems, topper membranes are Schluter or Noble. I've never done liquids as I don't trust them yet. Next stop will be foam pans.

I get that you don't clog the weep holes with asphalt but the drain isn't very wide near the screw holes so you get maybe 1/4" for asphalt to stick to. Seems like that would be a weak point. Also, the corners must have multiple layers of asphalt build out. All I know about hot mop is what I see on the video. Maybe you could explain more why you think it's better. Why is it mostly a California thing?
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Hot mop is a Southern California thing in my experience. I don't see anything wrong with it, but there seem to be other methods that will work just as well, too. Lots of ways to skin a cat.

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