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AustinDB 06-24-2015 10:41 PM

experience with Fusion Pro grout
 
HO supplied this for a job, it was a shock using this. I spread out about 8SF, came back a few minutes later and the haze on the tiles was extremely difficult to remove. Ended up dousing it with water and scrubbing with a SS brush. Easily took twice as long as a sanded grout would have taken.

I'm wondering if it was the tile I was installing that soaked up the grout or if it was in fact the grout.

I've had experience with SpectraLock, difficult to work, small area and using vinegar to cleanup make it costly, but I believe it was a good product. What's the best grout choice for kitchen floors and bathroom showers (high traffic/water)?

avenge 06-24-2015 11:03 PM

I've used it once, the haze it left freaked me out. The next morning I get a text from the HO "The floor looks great!" Went to the jobsite and indeed it turned out great the haze disappeared.

This was on a dark wood look porcelain.

Golden view 06-25-2015 03:03 AM

I used it once and thought it was fine. No waiting a few minutes, I cleaned as I went. QL2 is better in all ways except price though.

PrecisionFloors 06-25-2015 07:39 AM

You can not use urethane/acrylic/epoxy grouts like they are portland based. Waiting to clean will kill you. Small areas, clean as you go, micro fibre rags. If you spread 85ft of any of it and are by yourself - you're screwed and the haze cleanup will be a chore at the very least. It's not the product but the method.

Rhode Island 06-25-2015 09:39 AM

I use primarily TEC grouts and adhesives. Basically I use one tile shop and that is what they carry. Maybe 10yrs using them with no issues.

I have no experience with the grout you used, but I would be scared to use a SS brush. Scotch brite pads or the equivalent would be the max I would use.

Creter 06-25-2015 10:37 AM

Slow and low, that is the tempo - when it comes to that stuff...

Guys installing a large backsplash in the main showroom I use spread the stuff and then went to lunch...:whistling

Texas Wax 06-25-2015 10:59 AM

Got sold on trying that 'Stuff', once. Asked about application> "just like regular grout" .... Insert Blue cloud with sponge bob horn and fish sounds swearing for 2 hours. And worse yet it was on travertine mosaic, shut the front door, mother Herman, cheese and rice, jerome joseph and mary .......

Should have known better than to trust, even a floor covering asst manager, at a big box store. That's on me, by mistake. Using that wonderful product again? :laughing: Not in the near future and NEVER on stone

aptpupil 06-25-2015 03:44 PM

Read directions with all new products

Texas Wax 06-25-2015 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by aptpupil (Post 3188353)
Read directions with all new products

Thank You Mister Helper, the directions didn't help much ;)

country_huck 06-25-2015 03:56 PM

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We use urethane grouts 95% of the time. Once you get a system down you will never go back.

aptpupil 06-25-2015 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Texas Wax (Post 3188385)
Thank You Mister Helper, the directions didn't help much ;)

They state to not use on natural stone without presealing and only use a few square feet at a time. Sorry whoever advised you that it's the same as cementitious grout misled you. Sorry if my comment came off as rude.

PrecisionFloors 06-25-2015 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by country_huck (Post 3188401)
We use urethane grouts 95% of the time. Once you get a system down you will never go back.

Exactly. Once you learn how to do it correctly, urethane is easier to use than portland based grout. The haze is actually easier to prevent. No mixing and no grout going off on you either. The results are far superior as well. It's like anything else, there's a method. You wouldn't play baseball with a sledge hammer any more than you would break up an old a.c. pad with an aluminum bat...

TNTRenovate 06-25-2015 11:48 PM

I've posted this before, but it's airways helpful.

I run a three bucket system. One with a sponge with a white scrubby. One with a few sponges and the last with a micro fiber.

Dampen the tile first (I use the scrub sponge)

Spread the grout and scrape as much excess of with a float.

Wash off large debris with scrubby sponge.

Wipe down several times with standard sponge.

Wipe down with damp microfiber.

Wipe down with dry microfiber.

It will leave virtually no haze.

GO Remodeling 06-26-2015 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Texas Wax (Post 3187721)
Got sold on trying that 'Stuff', once. Asked about application> "just like regular grout" .... Insert Blue cloud with sponge bob horn and fish sounds swearing for 2 hours. And worse yet it was on travertine mosaic, shut the front door, mother Herman, cheese and rice, jerome joseph and mary .......

Should have known better than to trust, even a floor covering asst manager, at a big box store. That's on me, by mistake. Using that wonderful product again? :laughing: Not in the near future and NEVER on stone

These new grouts are the future so you need to learn the proper way to use them.

Taking advice from some big box store assistant manager? What were you smoking? :whistling

Texas Wax 06-26-2015 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by olzo55 (Post 3191377)
These new grouts are the future so you need to learn the proper way to use them.

Taking advice from some big box store assistant manager? What were you smoking? :whistling

:laughing: I said it was all on me. Will openly admit it. The experience still sucked.

The asst manager is a whole story unto itself. She knew exactly what she was doing Making the store $75 more than a grout install. Up sell to my client while I was putting up resistance to a 'new' product I hadn't used. So be it if the client saw value in it. Always up for new industry trends, typically with caution. It was fricken 8:30 at night, after roaming around for an hour doing selections. After working all day, 102 outside had the bath vent/s closed, window open for dust control ... :censored: I did let my guard down just to get it over with.

Comedy of errors regarding the Fusion Pro. Can't think of a worse situation to try something new in... Still feeling the pain a year later. Job turned out well in spite of me. Client has referred 3 times the $$$ of it , and still counting, paid work. So nobody to blame only lessons learned or remembered in the Case of Big box employees.

I'll use urethane grout in the future ... but this time maybe on some nice simple ceramic tile job :thumbsup: Though I will never forget and likely never stop complaining about this...It sucked doing it improperly and getting good results after. Let it be warning is what I'm trying to say.

Evan1968 06-26-2015 07:01 PM

Love Fusion Pro!
Never used it until we secured contracts for Chipotles. The prints spec out Fusion Pro. The tile is a 2"x8" glazed with lugs. Straight stack.
TNT's 3 bucket method works great.
We use a 2 bucket system and im about 3ft behind the spreader. One bucket for initial and one bucket for final. Then we go back with a mico fiber cloth and the little haze thats left buffs right out.
Clean water is a must. We change both out every 200ft.
2 of us , with our system, can do about 900ft in a 8hr period.

Guys better learn how to use urethane grouts. Cement based are going the way of the dinosaur.

superseal 06-26-2015 08:56 PM

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Just used it on a mosaic back splash, blue scotch brite (non scratch), clean water buckets, scrubby sponges and micro fiber made it easy.

It stuck a like crazy to the honed carrara and travertine however, but it did come off with elbow grease.

aptpupil 06-26-2015 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by superseal (Post 3194361)
Just used it on a mosaic back splash, blue scotch brite (non scratch), clean water buckets, scrubby sponges and micro fiber made it easy.

It stuck a like crazy to the honed carrara and travertine however, but it did come off with elbow grease.

Did you pre seal?

GO Remodeling 06-27-2015 07:36 AM

T.W.,

The warning should be to check a product out before you attempt using it for the first time. Had you looked it up or asked here before you used it, you would have gotten professional advice, not some assistant manager talking point.

Had you been prepared, the grout job would have been done without the pain.

Texas Wax 06-27-2015 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by olzo55 (Post 3195554)
T.W.,

The warning should be to check a product out before you attempt using it for the first time. Had you looked it up or asked here before you used it, you would have gotten professional advice, not some assistant manager talking point.

Had you been prepared, the grout job would have been done without the pain.


Absolutely great advice Ozlo.

Help me out here. Know I'm ruffling feathers by 'not' appreciating it the way I should.

I read the instructions. LOL Still have one of the buckets ... Just re-read now. They read the same to my understanding today as then.

Did a small test area to get a feel for how it was going to go down, clean up. Seemed to work fine, but that was a small area....

In hind sight should have stuck to smaller areas, but I followed the directions. Put down grout for 3-4 minutes, up to 20 sqft .... hit some where around 12 sqft.

Part of the supposed appeal of Fusion Pro is that it acts as a sealer and grout on stone. Biggest frustration is HOW much the fusion pro affected the overall coloration and sheen. My love of the richness and look of natural stone was OFFENDED. Dramatic difference from small area to large area in terms of visual impact.

The scrubbing began, following the directions. Part of the larger problem was temperature. Mid 80's in the room, 103 or so outside. Part of the 12 sqft area got away from me. Broke out the scotchbrite pads and continued to scrub to get rid of any thickness of grout.

But the coloring affect from the Fusion was not controllable, compared to cement based grout. Most of this is frustration was hands on touchy feeling lack of experience with a new product and having HIGH END results expectations. In the end beat myself silly trying to do the impossible.

Did the rest is small patches, :rolleyes: hangs head, no difference. Just less physical abuse.

Not feeling the natural stone sealers helping the cause a great deal. Mostly due to the nature of a rough surface and how the fusion seems to lock into rough surfaces. Having worked with fusion, I can see the effects of it on sample boards now. Will sealing really make a significant difference on natural stone?

Even with advice probably should not have used a new product on this project and this application. I'm a picky SOB and teh fusion did not behave as expected. Probably more picky than needed in most cases. Lesson learned and after really thinking about it, probably shouldn't be that aggravated.

Will try urethane based grout in the future. BUT a job with a bit less intensity and PIA than the 1x1 travertine mosaic.

LOL Did not use the fusion on anything beyond the 1x1.


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