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Old 08-18-2018, 07:36 PM   #21
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Back buttered tile sucks when doing demo.
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Old 08-19-2018, 06:03 AM   #22
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Always backbutter! It's more crucial on larger tiles, but you can't beat it for solid bonding on any size tile.
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I love demo-ing when the tile was not back buttered because they come up so easily.

Gone through 4 cases of RLS clips in the last year, I use them 95% of the time because it makes my work come out better and faster, which equals more $




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Something I’ve figured out with the RLS clips is that once I place the tile, I’ll “seat” the tile in the mud, then when it’s time to insert the wedge, the bond between back-buttered tile and thin-set on the backer pulls out when the tile is leveled.




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How did you figure that out?

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install, remove, inspect. The same way we try to ensure we're getting 95% coverage in the shower.
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install, remove, inspect. The same way we try to ensure we're getting 95% coverage in the shower.
Yeah but how do you know the bond is breaking when you level it, opposed to the moment you lift the tile out?

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Skip to the 4:00 minute mark and it is clear back buttering is worth it.



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Yeah but how do you know the bond is breaking when you level it, opposed to the moment you lift the tile out?

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I am not sure I understood what he meant by pulls out.
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Oh, and you should always backbutter. No questions about it. If you can't backbutter the tile you key the wall, burn the tile and then trowel the tile.
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I am not sure I understood what he meant by pulls out.
The way I understand it is when using a tile leveling system, the lower tile always moves up to meet the higher tile, which of course lifts the lower tile (Pulls out? Or away from the thinset?).

The one thing I really like about the MLT leveling system is the gun pull is straight overhead, so no sliding the tiles out of alignment as you tighten them to level.
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The way I understand it is when using a tile leveling system, the lower tile always moves up to meet the higher tile, which of course lifts the lower tile (Pulls out? Or away from the thinset?).

The one thing I really like about the MLT leveling system is the gun pull is straight overhead, so no sliding the tiles out of alignment as you tighten them to level.
You understand it wrong.

The lower tile actually pulls the higher tile down. Think of it this way. Ever try to pry a set tile up? The dang thing is so stuck down that it takes two hands and a margin trowel to lift it and even then it takes some muscle to get the bond to break. Now think of a small plastic wedge that has zero leverage on the tile. How is the tile that is barely set tile going to lift a fully set and stuck tile.

Further proof that the set tile pulls the new tile down is you will get ooze from between the tile. That doesn't happen if you are lifting a tile.

As for pulling or pushing tiles out of alignment, if you are doing that with a clip and wedge system you aren't doing it right. First you should have a shim between the wall and tile to maintain a space. Second, you shouldn't need that much force to set the wedge. Insert the wedge, grasp the clip and do a push pull with the wedge and clip. It moves a bit back and forth instead of just one direction.

The one thing I really hate about MLT is you have to set with a tool. Wedges, not necessary. Oh and MLT is 2-3x's more expensive and you have to clean the straps. Forget that!

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