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Old 04-06-2020, 01:53 PM   #1
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Another Large Format Tile Question 4'x10'


We are beginning an install of "Rex Ceramic" 4' x 10' slabs of porcelain this Friday. There are many miters on this steam shower, and a single piece on ceiling.

We have three main concerns as the GC,

1) Being able to handle the material without it cracking during movement/cutting. Considering backbuttering it and adhering a hardieboard to stiffen up.Bad idea? Any other ideas?

2) Being able to cut these miters. I know they have large expensive tile saws, which our tile setter doesnt have. We are considering using a makita track saw with diamond blade and water for perfect miter cuts...bad idea?

3) We are concerned about such a large tile in a steam shower, mainly expansion or contraction as temperature and humidity swings quickly in this shower. If tile is installed with full thinset coverage, is there a large risk of tile cracking from this?


Hope someone here has some insight, were pretty nervous as clients source does not have a single piece of this material left over to sell.....so this install has to go perfectly. Last job I did two years ago with similar size tile, we had three deliveries with stone breaking in transport, and some break on site(with an unprepared tile setter)
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Old 04-06-2020, 02:34 PM   #2
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See this thread for question #2;

https://www.contractortalk.com/f73/2...-tiles-418107/

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I know this probably does not help, but if it were my job, I would sub it out without hesitation. I stress enough on smaller things as it is.
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I know this probably does not help, but if it were my job, I would sub it out without hesitation. I stress enough on smaller things as it is.
Even my suppliers won't do the installs any more, too much risk, he would have to double his rates to make it worthwhile. Kinda hard to get big sheets in a small room through a doorway. They had to install floor sheets, wait 3 days, template 1 wall, install, template another wall.........

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we decided to purchase wedi boards and are laminating them one by one to the large tiles. Today we laminate our first, installing just one tomorrow, then laminating second one in afternoon. Will try to update photos as we progress... cutting the tiles, still waiting to see what the tile setter wants to do. Alot of the joints are going to be mitered, so snapping isnt the option, unless we snap and then makita the 45s out of the snap cut
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I know this probably does not help, but if it were my job, I would sub it out without hesitation. I stress enough on smaller things as it is.
its subbed out, just trying to facilitate a smooth job as we dont have extra pieces. We are GCs not tile setters.


Were also concerned as these tiles are shipped from italy, assuming that right now is not the time to be rush shipping from Italy given corona virus.
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we decided to purchase wedi boards and are laminating them one by one to the large tiles. Today we laminate our first, installing just one tomorrow, then laminating second one in afternoon. Will try to update photos as we progress... cutting the tiles, still waiting to see what the tile setter wants to do. Alot of the joints are going to be mitered, so snapping isnt the option, unless we snap and then makita the 45s out of the snap cut
What does laminating mean in this context? How is the Wedi going to be fastened to the framing?
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Im sorry. What is the point of installing a 4x10 tile? Just, why?


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Im sorry. What is the point of installing a 4x10 tile? Just, why?


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What does laminating mean in this context? How is the Wedi going to be fastened to the framing?
its not, its only there to prevent it from breaking during installation. You have to be careful how you carry and move the pieces. Then it gets adhered to the wall with thinset, like the giant tile that it is.
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I had a customer do that to me once...buy an exact number of tiles for a master bath...handmade tile from Italy. And he ordered the quantity based on his revised calculation, not mine. It took a couple months to receive the last couple pieces.
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I have a sub who does these tiles. He can get a sliver to snap cut off of them. Browse his IG for some process posts: https://www.instagram.com/craftsmanship_revival/
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I have a sub who does these tiles. He can get a sliver to snap cut off of them. Browse his IG for some process posts: https://www.instagram.com/craftsmanship_revival/
He's a good one to follow on IG!
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I have cut quite a bit of large format porcelain with my Makita setup. Some 32x60 and lots of 24x48. They were all 10mm thick though. What thickness is the 4x10's? The thin stuff (3-5mm) is much more fragile and needs special tools for transport and installation to keep it from fracturing. Also holes and cuts can stress fracture if you don't know what you are doing. Cutting teeth on a job like that without some kind of formal training is probably a bad idea.
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Got the ceiling up yesterday. We laminated the tile to some wedi board to stiffen up during transport and positioning on wall. Designer wants a return piece so the stone looks thicker anyways, so the 1/2” wedi isn’t a problem.

Actually worked pretty well. Tile setter ended up cutting tile with makita and miter freehand. It looked perfect but we haven’t wrapped any miter yet so time will tell..:

Trying to post the pictures or time lapse we did on here but not uploading.

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Post pictures please.

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Cant get them straight on the site although theyre straight on phone. Maybe someone can help me there.

Heres the rolling cart we made for working and moving. The grey sheet is the wedi board which we laminated with laticrete. One piece did crack which has some blue tape over it. We fiberglassed the back of that piece and akimid the tiny crack. Now just some smaller pieces for back wall and bench.
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