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Old 04-05-2015, 08:16 AM   #41
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I do. Email your app to and I'll look it over. [email protected]
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Old 04-07-2015, 01:06 AM   #42
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I just email copy of my app. My scanner had bit of issue. If anything is not legible, please advise.

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They tell me that the rules in NM now require tax returns and w-2's showing adequate income for 2 years full time experience from a licensed contractor. A friend of mine had his NM GC license, moved out of state for 4 years so it lapsed before he moved back. Since he had no verifiable work in the previous two years, he was out of luck. The fact that he had previously held a license was of no consequence. He can't get licensed. He's been doing handyman work now for about 6 years but that doesn't count toward a license.

I got my licenses 30 years ago, things were different then.
Sounds like a stupid catch 22 rule.

We can't give you a license without 2 years of proven work so you can't get a job to get those 2 years to get a license.

Does this mean you need to work for someone for 2 years before you can go out on your own?
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Old 04-08-2015, 10:21 AM   #44
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California is slowly headed that way. My crystal ball says that soon CA won't let you have a license unless you worked for a licensed employer.
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Pretty soon you'll only have unlicensed people working there because no one will be able to start up a new company.
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Exactly! And the cslb, being self funded, will be closed down because they will have chased off their only source of income.
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Looking to send a app for c-33 with self experience. Have 4 years experience with business, have tax returns and all documents. I'm 22 and want to know if they expect my experience really want to get license and start taking the next step for me.
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Welcome to CT.

The hurdle that you'll have to overcome is your age. At 22 they'll label you a young journeyman. Your tax returns and supporting documents will have to prove that you've been working at the journeyman level since you were 18.
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I have all my returns and paper work. I also have license contractors that can vouch for my experience would I be able to use that also. Is there anything else I need to prove my experience.
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The certifier's won't have as much of an impact as the documents you can provide. Click here to see what the cslb will accept. http://www.contractorslicenseguru.co...documentation/
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I read your page and wanted to know if i send contracts and invoices for over 500 would i be penalized. And purchase of material would count also. Thank you so much for the help.
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No, you will not be penalized.
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Hello,

I have a question about proof of experience process.

A little about me.

I want to apply for B License.

I am 22 going on 23.

I have worked directly under a General B Contractor for 4.2 years or since i was 19.

I worked, managed, directed, scheduled, inspected the following types of work:

Framing (purlins, kickers, rafters, patios),
Roofing (leak repair, tear off, sheathing, underlayment replacement, shingle and tile installation),
Electrical (Main Panel Upgrades, Photovoltaic Panel Installation, Main Breaker Downgrades, Electrical Load Calculations),
Paint (Exterior, Tex Coat, Interior),
Stucco (lathe and finish coats),
Design (PV solar on residential blueprints).

My boss (contractor) is willing to sign the cert.

I also drafted contracts, change orders, addendums (both with clients and subs).

I Hired, reviewed and onboarded subcontractors.

I have made invoices and followed up with payments with customers.



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I have proof of payment with my 1099s not w-2. Is that going to make a difference?

I have 1099's for 4 years of full time work. Each amount is different since every year I got a raise. will this raise concerns?

Do you think they will accept my experience and approve my application?

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You have to have worked at a journeyman level for 4 years. They will want to know where you found time to learn the trade If you were in high school. My guess is you will certainly get flagged.
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Hello,

I have a question about proof of experience process.

A little about me.

I want to apply for B License.

I am 22 going on 23.

I have worked directly under a General B Contractor for 4.2 years or since i was 19.

I worked, managed, directed, scheduled, inspected the following types of work:

Framing (purlins, kickers, rafters, patios),
Roofing (leak repair, tear off, sheathing, underlayment replacement, shingle and tile installation),
Electrical (Main Panel Upgrades, Photovoltaic Panel Installation, Main Breaker Downgrades, Electrical Load Calculations),
Paint (Exterior, Tex Coat, Interior),
Stucco (lathe and finish coats),
Design (PV solar on residential blueprints).

My boss (contractor) is willing to sign the cert.

I also drafted contracts, change orders, addendums (both with clients and subs).

I Hired, reviewed and onboarded subcontractors.

I have made invoices and followed up with payments with customers.



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I have proof of payment with my 1099s not w-2. Is that going to make a difference?

I have 1099's for 4 years of full time work. Each amount is different since every year I got a raise. will this raise concerns?

Do you think they will accept my experience and approve my application?
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I have proof of payment with my 1099s not w-2. Is that going to make a difference?
I have 1099's for 4 years of full time work. Each amount is different since every year I got a raise. will this raise concerns?

Do you think they will accept my experience and approve my application?
Some risk. You've been working illegally, as an unlicensed sub - the 1099s aren't legal without a license in CA. The general has been committing tax and workers comp fraud. Whether or not they would chase any of that down, who knows? But it's not an ideal setup for a license application.

If you need to spend some more time working for someone else, you might look to work for someone who isn't a douchebag. He knows perfectly well that he's breaking the law with the 1099s, and that you're the sap.

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Hello,

I have a question about proof of experience process.

A little about me.

I want to apply for B License.

I am 22 going on 23.

I have worked directly under a General B Contractor for 4.2 years or since i was 19.

I worked, managed, directed, scheduled, inspected the following types of work:

Framing (purlins, kickers, rafters, patios),
Roofing (leak repair, tear off, sheathing, underlayment replacement, shingle and tile installation),
Electrical (Main Panel Upgrades, Photovoltaic Panel Installation, Main Breaker Downgrades, Electrical Load Calculations),
Paint (Exterior, Tex Coat, Interior),
Stucco (lathe and finish coats),
Design (PV solar on residential blueprints).

My boss (contractor) is willing to sign the cert.

I also drafted contracts, change orders, addendums (both with clients and subs).

I Hired, reviewed and onboarded subcontractors.

I have made invoices and followed up with payments with customers.



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I have proof of payment with my 1099s not w-2. Is that going to make a difference?

I have 1099's for 4 years of full time work. Each amount is different since every year I got a raise. will this raise concerns?

Do you think they will accept my experience and approve my application?
Hello socalsolarguy and Welcome to CT.

From the licensing stand point, the 1099's aren't illegal. And we're assuming that you were 1099'd because you aren't on payroll.

Your issue will be your age. Even with the 1099's the cslb is going to label you a young journeyman and ask you to prove you were a journeyman for the last four years. IOW, can you prove that you went thru an apprenticeship period/training before you were 19? Extremely difficult to prove.

Aside from that, you would have to show your work experience as self employed if you weren't on payroll for this contractor/boss. He could be your certifier, but he is also operating at great risk. If the cslb catches him, the fines will be steep and your job could be at risk.

If you will be applying for the B, I'd suggest working (on payroll) for a licensed B contractor and don't apply until you are over 23. Perhaps when you're 25-27.

I don't know about you being a sap, but this contractor isn't doing you any favors.
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From the licensing stand point, the 1099's aren't illegal. ....
I'm glad you showed up, Phil.

I'm interested in clarifying what you mean about the 1099s not being illegal. Even if I cover a sub with worker's comp and all the taxes are done correctly, I believe I'm not allowed to hire a guy with a 1099 unless he's licensed. A 1099, done legally, among other things means that someone works independently in the field of work, without direct supervision. In California, someone working in that capacity must have a license, and someone working in that capacity without a license is operating as an unlicensed contractor.

If you mean that the CSLB is likely not to punish the applicant for the misdeed because it is more likely the flip side of the violation - tax and workers comp evasion by the general contractor - then I understand.

I'm not challenging that statement just to have a fight, either. Right now, I read it as an endorsement by you (clearly the main expert on this issue on C.T.) of the legality of hiring unlicensed guys using 1099s, in California, for construction work. For the sake of the current poster, as well as anyone else reading that (for example me), I'd like to know if that's what you really meant to say.
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Comments above based on this: http://www.edd.ca.gov/pdf_pub_ctr/de231g.pdf, which says:

"In summary, without a valid contractor’s license a person performing services in the construction trade is an employee of the contractor who either holds a license or is required to be licensed."

and this, from the IRS's description of the 1099 -
Report payments made in the course of a trade or business to a person who is not an employee.....
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Comments above based on this: http://www.edd.ca.gov/pdf_pub_ctr/de231g.pdf, which says:

"In summary, without a valid contractor’s license a person performing services in the construction trade is an employee of the contractor who either holds a license or is required to be licensed."

and this, from the IRS's description of the 1099 -
Report payments made in the course of a trade or business to a person who is not an employee.....
What if the worker only does 500 dollars or less worth of work, and the total job is less than 500 bucks? I have a guy who replaces my screens on jobs because we can't seem to protect screen doors. (Errrr) but those are separate from the original contract. But he's under 500 bucks. I don't even know if there's a licence requirement for screens.

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