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Old 02-04-2013, 10:07 PM   #21
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Re: Potential Issue With Verifying Work Experience


Yes, a coworker can be your certifier. It just needs to be someone who has first hand knowledge of the experience. If they contact the employer, they would send a letter. So if you use a coworker, the letter should be sent to that person.
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Old 02-08-2013, 09:15 PM   #22
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Re: Potential Issue With Verifying Work Experience


Hello Guru,

I've been a licensed C-5 and D-61 contractor for over 25 years. In that time I have done many things, drywall, roofing, electrical, cabinetry, painting, flooring, ect.

If I wanted to add a B license, what would I need to show for experience.

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Old 02-16-2013, 12:52 PM   #23
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Re: Potential Issue With Verifying Work Experience


I wonder what happened to the app of the guy who started this post. The cslb has been doing their, now infamous, secondary review on a lot of apps.

Mark, you'd need to show 4yrs of framing experience and at least two unrelated trades. Earlier in this thread I gave an example.
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Hello Gang! I've been dealing with pneumonia for almost a month and have been off the grid for a bit. Sorry about that.

Macroadie had a lot of great info. Currently it's only taking two weeks for an app to be processed and a test date issued. Test dates are currently arriving 3 weeks after that.

The CSLB is required by law to do a secondary review (investigation) on 3% of all apps received per year. That's a very small margin but I have seen it happen. The investigator will send you a letter asking for more proof/evidence of your experience. If you submitted your exp as an employee, they will ask for pay stubs, w-2's, tax returns. If you submitted your exp as self employed they will ask for... who knows.

Generally, all of this happens after you've taken and passed your exams. I have seen people pass their exams and be denied the license because the cant back up the exp provided on the app.
I was denied last year because of experience proof I was chosen from that 3% that they do each year lucky me and I wasn't able to provide experience proof. Even with a signature of someone who is already license wasn't good enough for them. I turn in my 4 year degree as engineer that only gave me 3 years credit. Anyways I'm thinking of applying again would I have to wait at least a year before applying again and would they still have my 3 years credit on file or do I have to resubmit all that information again as well.
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That's an interesting question - what happens to you if you pass the tests and then, in the secondary screening, they decide you don't have enough experience? Gotta do it all over again in a year or whatever?
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I was denied last year because of experience proof I was chosen from that 3% that they do each year lucky me and I wasn't able to provide experience proof. Even with a signature of someone who is already license wasn't good enough for them. I turn in my 4 year degree as engineer that only gave me 3 years credit. Anyways I'm thinking of applying again would I have to wait at least a year before applying again and would they still have my 3 years credit on file or do I have to resubmit all that information again as well.
Your passing scores are good for 5 yrs, so when you reapply, you wont have to test again.

You will need to resubmit your transcripts for the college credit, and if they denied you because you couldn't verify the 1 yr of trade experience, I'd suggest waiting to reapply until you have verifiable proof of that one year.

That proof would have to be a w-2, tax return, or pay stubs.
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Hi License Guru,
Back Ground:

1. I am currently applying for a General B under self employed option.

2. I have been performing work under $500 for different clients for over 10 years with framing, concrete, roofing, and plumbing at journeyman leve.

3. I obtained my MBA (Masters in Business Administration). I have the education which the CSLB has confirmed will give me 2 years of credit.

4. I have a contractor who has specific knowledge of my journeyman level skills and work and has signed my certification of work experience to this end.

5. I have submitted all the above and they are now asking for tax return, w2 documents.

6. I have an extension and have not yet filed the last two years yet, but will be doing so in the imidiate future. I have legal flexability on how I can prepare my taxs so as to taylor them to be acceptable for the CSLB.

Question:

1.What specific things within my tax documents will they be looking for? Eg. how much I made, the company name, what form I used... small business filing/personal filing?
2. what if I have w2 from a managment company as proof? should I use this

3. Are there any other supporting documents they might ask for?

4. Should I add a cover letter with my submission of the additional documents explaining anything or should I include pictures of work that I have perfromed.
5. a lady by the name of Dana B. was most helpful at the CSLB apps and exams unit, but still need the above questions resolved.

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Just so I understand, you were contacted by the application technician? Not by someone in the application investigation unit?

Did you provide the experience as 4 yrs of full time self employed? 2 yrs of full time SE, or 4 yrs of part time SE?

Only the tech asking for the docs can clarify as to what she/they will accept. As to what they want to see on the tax returns? I have no clue. Income I suppose. Business name perhaps? My tax return lists my business name, but other than that, I don't believe it would tell anybody how much time I put into my business or the number of clients I had for the year, or how much TP I use in the head.

A w-2 should work and prove some time. They wont accept pictures. A cover letter, probably not. I know people have submitted notarized statements from certifiers, but I don't believe they had any impact.

Your best option might be to get on the app techs good side and ask her to guide you thru the process. The cslb has put these out these new guidelines without notifying anyone and now the tech has to do additional work. Might as well make them do the work and have them explain to you exactly what they want, how do they want it, what format they want it in, what language they want it in, what size paper they want it on, and what color ink it should be in.

Sorry, I don't mean to sound .... ticked off... even tho I am. The cslb made an off the cuff procedural change that is impacting A LOT of people and they didn't have the walnuts to notify anyone that they've changed the rules to the game.
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Hi License Guru,
Thanks for the quick reply,
No investigator, just a letter the cslb sent me after I initialy submitted my docs stating the additional info they need to process my app.

I initiated a phone conversation with them from a number provided on the docs they sent me.

Also I think I just need two years of full time experience, which I submitted in the form of certification of work experience with a contractor sign off... with 2 years credit for the BS in business and MBA in business.

May I ask what new processing changes they have made that has upset you so much so I can have the heads up?

What is the acutal internal process by the CSLB of reviewing the apps and who (tittle not name) makes these decisions? Committee or individuals?

Thanks again in advance

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Sorry about that. I've been discussing this in my main thread.

About 3-4 weeks ago, management at the cslb told their app exam techs to start calling/mailing applicants, employers, certifiers asking for more proof of experience.

The picture that is being painted is that applicants who submit self employed experience are being singled out. It's a change in procedure that the cslb has not made public. Basically, a state agency making laws/directives/procedural changes without doing it properly or going thru the proper channels.

Bottom line... if you can't show them tax returns or w-2's or copies of contracts proving your experience, they will deny your application.
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Guess this thread has become a general area for application questions... I am new to the forum and hope this is an OK place to ask this.

I am 23 and after high school, in addition to other jobs, I have worked as a handyman. It has always been under the table smaller jobs but I have learned a lot and have not had any significant issues. I am now looking to expand the handyman side of my business (looking at getting bonded/insured/ and even a license).

I realize that with minimal formal tax/payment documentation having satisfied clients signing the application would not be sufficient. The plan is to keep good records of contracts and invoices while obviously staying under $500. Any tips on particular practices which would aid in my future application? I would hope that if business does well, I could apply after perhaps a year or so. Any chance? fool's errand?
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Welcome to CT.

My other thread would be a good place, but this will work.

Being 23 you'll get labeled a Young Journeyman and will have to prove your experience. But the way things are going now, anybody submitting self employed experience, no matter your age, will get stuck having to prove everything.

My advice, keep excellent records of contracts, tax returns, etc etc and apply for a license in 4 yrs.
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I am trying to get my class B. I have been a painting contractor for 15 years in california, Five years ago I took a job with a framing contractor Managing and working on his 3 to 4 start to finish builds a year. I drove from Tahoe to Sacramento yesterday To submit my aplication for another clasification and was told to RE-word my experience and certification statement.

I wrote
supervised and prefomed all aspects of construction and participated in construction activities by making technichal and administrative decisions, checking jobs for proper workmanship and direct supervision and participation on costruction job sites from foundation to finish.

I am guessing this might be nothing near what they would like to read. The nice gal at the window said she could almost assure me it would get kicked back. I am happy to know this thats why I drove to sacramento. I could use some help on how to word this. Thanks
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You would be guessing correctly. Was the woman at the front counter short with blonde-ish hair. She's nice enough to help people out like that.

Anyway... if you can send me an email within the next 30 minutes (leaving for the weekend) I'll send you examples of acceptable experience.

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Yep thats her.
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I have read through many of the forum posts in this site and I know this topic has been talked about multiple times, so please forgive me if this question has already been answered in one form or another. I just really want to make sure I thoroughly handle this process.

I tried to post a new thread, but I kept getting some type of server error after I clicked the post button.... I know you all probably hate me already :/

So here is my situation.

My dad is the person who is getting licensed, and we are having issues getting his employer to fill out the work experience form. From my understanding this would be the best way to go about getting this form filled out, however after agreeing to fill out the form it has been 3 weeks since we have heard from his employer. The other aspect that makes this difficult is that we are in California, and his employer is located in Washington State.

So my first question is there anything I can do about this, or do I need to find someone else to fill out the form? And if I do need to have someone else fill out the form, who would be our best option?

We called the CSLB and they told me that "just about anybody could verify the work experience" That didn't seem like an answer I could put all my trust into, so I was hoping to get some advice before we file everything. We have a family friend who was our next door neighbor for the entire time my dad was employed, who could verify his work experience. Would this be a good option for us to use, or would it be a better option to use one of his co-workers during his time of employment?

I am very grateful I came across this forum and I would like to thank ALL of you in advance!
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Hello DADS. Welcome to CT.

First, what classification are you applying for?

Second, the law states that the certifier can be anyone, but they have to have first hand knowledge of the experience.

Having said that, the cslb has recently been rejecting certifiers who are supervisors/fellow employees. They have contacted employers where the certifier was a fellow employee. In one case, they seriously put the applicant in jeopardy with the employer because the employee was applying to get his own license and chose not to disclose it to his employer. I say... thank you CSLB for getting people fired!!

Anyway... you can fill out the experience portion of the app and have the employer sign it. The family friend can be the certifier if he/she has first hand knowledge of the experience.

If the app is for one of the so called "critical classes" then the family friend might not be the best choice.
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Thank you, and again I am so glad I found this forum!

We are applying for a class B license.

We tried reaching out to get the employer to sign the document (emailed it over after speaking to him on the phone) and we still haven't heard a response back. All of my Dad's work can be verified through his payroll and W2 history, but if the employer doesn't send back the form what do you recommend we do?

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I would suggest submitting the experience as an employee of the company and have anyone with first hand knowledge of the experience to be the certifier. When the cslb reviews the docs, they will attempt to contact the owner. They may have better luck getting a response. If the owner chooses to ignore the cslb... well then... you're stuck.
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Dear Guru,

Please advise whether you still offer a free app review to CT members?

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