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Old 05-03-2019, 11:53 AM   #21
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Old 05-03-2019, 06:00 PM   #22
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Yes, something like this, I thought it was 24"-48" or maybe this was for gas I'm not sure, I use to have the chart when we were doing a lot of water and sewer taps.
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Yes, something like this, I thought it was 24"-48" or maybe this was for gas I'm not sure, I use to have the chart when we were doing a lot of water and sewer taps.
You'd have a 48" path if your utility was 12" wide (12+36).
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They give you a mark-out based on within 2' of the line on each side.

So you have a 4' path where utility should be located.

You hit something within the 4' it's on you, you hit something on the outside of the 4' it's on them. That's the rule for the entire country I think.

I use the wires to double check and never been wrong.

The trick is to hold the wires the right way and apply the right amount of pressure yet allowing them to move freely.

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I have used that method a lot , but only for buried pipe. Never knew it worked for cable.
I learned it from a surveyor.
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All commercial work here burying plastic requires a color coded(blue =water, yellow N.Gas, Green? sewer? )12 gauge single strand wire buried above said plastic line/piping....or print plastic with metal strands warning tapes above items ~4-6".

Witching Tile easy in greenfields, I could see non frosted, poor, and dry soils not favoring witching...the winter freeze grinds up minerals, freeing them for plant use.....

For the wires to swing, requires the conductor to travel through the changing EM field, Walk at a steady pace.... Cross the line from BOTH directions, mark with flags, usually SOMETHING is half way between/below.

It is One of the few things my Farmer Grandpa taught me that I still use regularly...

in town with old utilities abandoned, lots o crap to find..... And any over head high voltage does me in....
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All commercial work here burying plastic requires a color coded(blue =water, yellow N.Gas, Green? sewer? )12 gauge single strand wire buried above said plastic line/piping....or print plastic with metal strands warning tapes above items ~4-6".

Witching Tile easy in greenfields, I could see non frosted, poor, and dry soils not favoring witching...the winter freeze grinds up minerals, freeing them for plant use.....

For the wires to swing, requires the conductor to travel through the changing EM field, Walk at a steady pace.... Cross the line from BOTH directions, mark with flags, usually SOMETHING is half way between/below.

It is One of the few things my Farmer Grandpa taught me that I still use regularly...

in town with old utilities abandoned, lots o crap to find..... And any over head high voltage does me in....
It's a load of sh!t....you got lucky.

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Inner 10: It is the stuff you KNOW can NEVER be true that will be your personal "Pearl Harbor" event...

For me and a % of other witching tile and other buried utilities work, I personally have never tried it different soil types....

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I think that you are saying is that Inner is blinded by your brightness.
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I think that you are saying is that Inner is blinded by your brightness.
I think that you're saying is exactly what he is saying
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I think that you are saying is that Inner is blinded by your brightness.
Yeah that's it, only a select few are born with the ability to dowse, scientists can't explain it but it's understood completely by a brick layer. ...But I just can't get a grasp on the "theory and maths of special relativity"

......Or......it's about as real as Santa Clause....because every damn time someone does a study all these legendary dowsers seem to foget how to dowse. Even when thousands of dollars are up for grabs they just get performance anxiety.

They are the same as physics, or mediums, or any other bull****ter.

Look up James Randi, he offered up a huge sums of money to anyone who could prove they could dowse and no one ever collected.
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I'm glad he didn't offer a huge amount the wire theory that is not working because his A$$ be broke by now
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I'm glad he didn't offer a huge amount the wire theory that is not working because his A$$ be broke by now
It ran for 50 years and no one ever won, numerous dowsers were tested. All they ever did was make excuses about the sun or the cameras and crap like that.
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Personally I made friends with a private utility contractor. He is 100% on his own so he is better than any of the low paid big company guys I have met, with the exception of his best friend who works for USIC.

I watched his buddy locate a PVC water line with no tracer that the city could not find.

He came out and put his locator in power mode. He said that since there were no overhead lines and the adjacent homes were powered from the back side, he could catch a faint tone off the water heaters being grounded to the water service. I couldn't hear a damn thing in the tone variation, but first pass he said, "spot here."

There it was! Guy was a gifted vet.

Anyway, find a good private utility location contractor nearby. Tell him you will give him a hundred if he swings by after work and tones a line for you. Its cheaper than a 10k locator and the private guys are usually much more gifted with a locator than a guy that doesn't do it every day for years or one that is just trying to collect a paycheck.
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It ran for 50 years and no one ever won, numerous dowsers were tested. All they ever did was make excuses about the sun or the cameras and crap like that.
His challenge got nothing to do with what we talking about... His proposal was that if anyone can demonstrate evidence of any supernatural power he will pay 1m dollars.

The wire trick is nothing new, it's a common reaction of the earth's magnetic field.

Before I get to the point, just wanna share a story that happened a while back, it has something to do with this wire trick but since I have time I will share this story maybe some will find it interesting maybe even useful if they have a run-in with something like this.

A few years back I was building a house and I had a lot next to it for another house.
I was starting to get ready to build on it, so when I had a mark-out done, the water company marked a water line on that empty lot. I went to the township and looked at the map and it showed that there was never a house there.
I went back and took my wires and started to look for it... and sure enough, I picked up water lateral and my wires stopped reacting right after the sidewalk indicating there was nothing.
I took a shovel and started to dig around between the sidewalk and the curb and there it was dead on the broken water curb box. The mark-out was off by about 18".

I said to myself if there is water there has to be sewer, so I was walking up and down but couldn't find it. I told my excavation guy I found the water so we only need a road opening permit for the sewer.

After a month or so when I was ready to bring the water and sewer into the house, I told him before I start getting road opening permit, let's dig down get rid of this broken curb box and see what's going on there.
We dig down and it looked like there was more excavation going on because it was lots of rock under it so we went down lower and sure enough there was the sewer lateral about 1' below the water lateral and being over and under is why the wires reacted only in that spot.

I still end up opening the road and replacing the water lateral because it was filled with cement... The reason for that I found out later one builder had 2 lots there and he builds the house which I knocked down to put a new house but he never subdivided the property into 2 lots. But when he was building the house, he did the water and sewer laterals for that second lot but he never built the second house. About 10-15 years prior the town re-lined the water main, so every lateral connected to the house, was blown out, but since this lateral ended at the curb nobody knew it was there and all the stuff from re-lining dried up inside.

Now back to the point I was trying to make. So right after I found the water line using my wires, there was a retired college science professor living someplace down the block and before that he would stop by if he saw me and would say how nicely everything is progressing.

So I caught him one day and I asked him about this wire trick and how this works and I don't remember word for word but he said that everything got to do with the magnetic fields.

When the wires facing forward and you over something in the ground, something was generated from external fields which came and returned from some sort of a load which made the wires rotate in an opposed way and when you move away and there is nothing in the ground it was canceling some sort of reaction and because of that the external magnetic fields were greatly reduced and the wires were returning to its current position.

So the wires do work, who used them for that know that, who tried and didn't work don't use them.
I speak from experience been using them here and there close to 40 yrs and they never mislead me once, even located a wire under concrete floor with wire-mesh in it and marked accurately the direction run inside of the deli when my friend was doing remodeling and it worked with wire-mesh in the floor, but the wires only reacted to the electrical wire. Go figure
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........Anyway, find a good private utility location contractor nearby. Tell him you will give him a hundred if he swings by after work and tones a line for you. ...........
I won't even start my truck for that, let alone haul out a locator to a job site.

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His challenge got nothing to do with what we talking about... His proposal was that if anyone can demonstrate evidence of any supernatural power he will pay 1m dollars.

The wire trick is nothing new, it's a common reaction of the earth's magnetic field.
It's not, James Randi specifically tested Dowsers, if you were there at the time you could have made a hundread grand since you have super natural powers.

It's got nothing to do with the earth's magnetic feild, it's a load of horse sh!t.

Just google the James Randi Dowsing Test.

http://undeceivingourselves.org/S-grea.htm

http://skepdic.com/dowsing.html

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I doubt you have any friends. I also doubt you have much money.
You make locating sound a little too complex. End of the day 7-10 K and a man can buy a locator. Most just dont because they would rather pay someone like you because it is..... MUCH MUCH MUCH cheaper.

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